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« on: March 22, 2008, 09:11:00 PM »

Clinton advised to drop her bid

By Christina Bellantoni and Sean Lengell
March 22, 2008

http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080322/NATION/212746989/1001

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson yesterday suggested when endorsing Sen. Barack Obama in the Democratic presidential race that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton should drop out, while a primary-election lawsuit had made it tougher for the former first lady to secure the party's nomination.

The one-time candidate's endorsement helped Mr. Obama at the end of a difficult week, giving him the support of another former Clinton administration official who also is a superdelegate and a high-profile Hispanic.

"You will be an outstanding commander in chief," Mr. Richardson told the Illinois senator at a rally in Portland, Ore., yesterday. "Above all, you will be a president who brings this nation together."

The former energy secretary and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations during President Clinton's administration also said in an e-mail to his supporters on behalf of Mr. Obama yesterday that it may be time for Mrs. Clinton to get out of the race.

"My affection and admiration for Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton will never waver," he said. "It is time, however, for Democrats to stop fighting amongst ourselves and to prepare for the tough fight we will face against John McCain in the fall.

"The 1990's were a decade of peace and prosperity because of the competent and enlightened leadership of the Clinton administration, but it is now time for a new generation of leadership to lead America forward. Barack Obama will be a historic and a great president."

Mrs. Clinton — who had been benefiting in polls from the controversy swirling around racially charged comments by Mr. Obama's pastor — suffered an additional setback yesterday, when a federal appeals court dismissed a lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) over the party's decision to strip Florida of its delegates.

Mrs. Clinton, who won in Florida, has been pressuring the national party to reinstate Florida's delegates.
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 01:19:40 PM »

As many of you know, I was one of the first people on this site to champion Obama. As we've all got a chance to see what he's about & as Clinton has been exposed, it's become clear to us as the rest of America who the better candidate is.

I was also telling everyone after Barack jumped out to a big lead that Hillary WAS NOT GOING to catch him, period. I was disheartened by the lack of confidence we displayed because of media spin when a little logical deduction & mathematics showed this to be the case. And, now the burial of Hillary starts. I just wish we'd be a little more confident & speaking on what was rather obvious instead of allowing the media to scare us into unnecessary precautions.

Again, besides funny business (FL/MI recount which has been shot down, Super delegates picking the candidate who won less states, pledges delegates & popular votes which would be suicide for the democratic party) Hillary HAS NO CHANCE TO WIN THIS NOMINATION & people are starting to turn up the pressure. After the TX, OH, RI, VT primaries, I was saying she need to win out by a +7% margin to have a chance. Now, that number is +20% meaning she's have to win out 60% to 40% & would need the Florida & Michigan primary to get a narrow 20 delegate lead. C'mon y'all. Take a deep breath. It's over.



Story behind the story: The Clinton myth

By JIM VANDEHEI & MIKE ALLEN | 3/21/08 1:32 PM EST

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

As it happens, many people inside Clinton’s campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.

In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe.


The real question is why so many people are playing. The answer has more to do with media psychology than with practical politics.

Journalists have become partners with the Clinton campaign in pretending that the contest is closer than it really is. Most coverage breathlessly portrays the race as a down-to-the-wire sprint between two well-matched candidates, one only slightly better situated than the other to win in August at the national convention in Denver.

One reason is fear of embarrassment. In its zeal to avoid predictive reporting of the sort that embarrassed journalists in New Hampshire, the media — including Politico — have tended to avoid zeroing in on the tough math Clinton faces.

Avoiding predictions based on polls even before voters cast their ballots is wise policy. But that's not the same as drawing sober and well-grounded conclusions about the current state of a race after millions of voters have registered their preferences.

The antidote to last winter's flawed predictions is not to promote a misleading narrative based on the desired but unlikely story line of one candidate.

There are other forces also working to preserve the notion of a contest that is still up for grabs.

One important, if subliminal, reason is self-interest. Reporters and editors love a close race — it’s more fun and it’s good for business.

The media are also enamored of the almost mystical ability of the Clintons to work their way out of tight jams, as they have done for 16 years at the national level. That explains why some reporters are inclined to believe the Clinton campaign when it talks about how she’s going to win on the third ballot at the Democratic National Convention in August.

That’s certainly possible — and, to be clear, we’d love to see the race last that long — but it’s folly to write about this as if it is likely.

It’s also hard to overstate the role the talented Clinton camp plays in shaping the campaign narrative, first by subtly lowering the bar for the performance necessary to remain in the race, and then by keeping the focus on Obama’s relationships with a political fixer and a controversial pastor in Illinois.

But even some of Clinton’s own advisers now concede that she cannot win unless Obama is hit by a political meteor. Something that merely undermines him won't be enough. It would have to be some development that essentially disqualifies him.

Simple number-crunching has shown the long odds against Clinton for some time.

In the latest Associated Press delegate count, Obama leads with 1,406 pledged delegates to Clinton’s 1,249. Obama’s lead is likely to grow, as it did with county conventions last weekend in Iowa, as later rounds of delegates are apportioned from caucuses he has already won.

The Democratic Party has 794 superdelegates, the party insiders who get to vote on the nomination in addition to the delegates chosen by voters. According to Politico's latest tally, Clinton has 250 and Obama has 212. That means 261 are uncommitted, and 71 have yet to be named.

An analysis by Politico's Avi Zenilman shows that Clinton’s lead in superdelegates has shrunk by about 60 in the past month. And it found Clinton is roughly tied among House members, senators and governors — the party’s most powerful elite.

Clinton had not announced a new superdelegate commitment since the March 4 primaries, until the drought was broken recently by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) and West Virginia committeeman Pat Maroney.

Clintonistas continue to talk tough. Phil Singer, the Clinton campaign’s deputy communications director, told reporters on a conference call Friday that the Obama campaign “is in hot water” and is “seeing the ground shift away from them.”

Mark Penn, the campaign’s chief strategist, maintained that it’s still “a hard-fought race between two potential nominees” and that other factors could come into play at the convention besides the latest delegate tally — “the popular vote, who will have won more delegates from primaries [as opposed to caucuses], who will be the stronger candidate against McCain.”

But let’s assume a best-case scenario for Clinton, one where she wins every remaining contest with 60 percent of the vote (an unlikely outcome since she has hit that level in only three states so far — her home state of New York, Rhode Island and Arkansas).

Even then, she would still be behind Obama in delegates.

There are 566 pledged delegates up for grabs in upcoming contests. Those delegates come from Pennsylvania (158), Guam (4) North Carolina (115), Indiana (72), West Virginia (28), Kentucky (51), Oregon (52), Puerto Rico (55), Montana (16) and South Dakota (15).

If Clinton won 60 percent of those delegates, she would get 340 delegates to Obama's 226. Under that scenario — and without revotes in Michigan and Florida — Obama would still lead in delegates by 1,632 to 1,589.

The only remote possibility of a win in delegates would come if revotes were held in Florida and Michigan — which, again, would take a political miracle. If Clinton won 60 percent of the delegates in both states, she would win 188 delegates and Obama would win 125. Clinton would then lead among pledged delegates, 1,777 to 1,757.


The other elephant in the room for Clinton is that Obama is almost certain to win North Carolina, with its high percentage of African-American voters, and also is seen as extremely strong in Oregon.

Harold Ickes, an icon of the Democratic Party who is Clinton’s chief delegate strategist, points out that every previous forecast about this race has been faulty.

Asked about the Obama campaign’s contention that it’s mathematically impossible for Clinton to win, Ickes replied: “They can’t count. At the end of it, even by the Obama campaign’s prediction, neither candidate will have enough delegates to be nominated.”

This is true, as a matter of math. But even the Clinton campaign’s own best-case scenario has her finishing behind Obama when all the nominating contests are over.

“She will be close to him but certainly not equal to him in pledged delegates,” a Clinton adviser said. “When you add the superdelegates on top of it, I’ll think she’ll still be behind him somewhat in total delegates — but very, very close.”

The total gap is likely to be 75 to 110, the adviser said.

That means Clinton would need either some of those pledged delegates to switch their support — which technically they can do, though it would be unlikely — or for the white-dominated group of superdelegates to join forces with her to topple Obama.

To foster doubt about Obama, Clinton supporters are using a whisper and pressure campaign to make an 11th-hour argument to party insiders that he would be a weak candidate in November despite his superior standing at the moment.

“All she has left is the electability argument,” a Democratic official said. "It’s all wrapped around: Is there something that makes him ultimately unelectable?”

But the audience for that argument, the superdelegates, will not easily overturn the will of the party’s voters. And in fact, a number of heavyweight Democrats are looking at the landscape and laying the groundwork to dissuade Clinton from trying to overturn the will of the party rank and file.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who has not endorsed either candidate, appears to be among them. She told Bloomberg Television that superdelegates should "respect for what has been said by the people.” And she told ABC’s “This Week” that it would be “harmful to the Democratic Party” if superdelegates overturn the outcome of elections.

A Democratic strategist said that given the unlikelihood of prevailing any other way, Clinton now must “scare” superdelegates “who basically just want to win.”

The strategist said Clinton aides are now relying heavily on the controversy over Obama’s retiring minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, to sow new seeds of doubt.

“This issue is the first thing that’s come along that I think is potentially fatal to his electability argument,” the strategist said.

“They’re looking ahead and saying: Is it possible this thing is just going to drip, drip, drip, drip — more video? Where does that leave us if he’s our presumptive nominee and he’s limping into the convention and the Republicans are just read to go on him, double-barreled?”

The strategist also said Clinton’s agents are making more subtle pitches.

“I’ve heard people start to say: Have you looked at the vote in Ohio really carefully? See how that breaks down for him. What does that portend?” said the strategist. “Then they point to Pennsylvania: In electorally important battleground states, if he is essentially only carrying heavy African-American turnout in high-performing African-American districts and the Starbucks-sipping, Volvo-driving liberal elite, how does he carry a state like Pennsylvania?”

Her advisers say privately that the nominee will be clear by the end of June. At the same time, they recognize that the nominee probably is clear already.

What has to irk Clintons’ aides is that they felt she might finally have him on the ropes, bruised badly by the Wright fight and wobbly in polls. But the bell rang long ago in the minds of too many voters.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2008, 07:54:10 AM »

Legacy, how do you feel about Richardson endorsing Obama even though his state overwhelmingly supported Clinton?  Do you feel that he has an obligation to bow to the will of his constituents when casting his vote if the majority voted differently?
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2008, 08:50:45 AM »

Legacy, how do you feel about Richardson endorsing Obama even though his state overwhelmingly supported Clinton?  Do you feel that he has an obligation to bow to the will of his constituents when casting his vote if the majority voted differently?


I think he should have represented his constituency but the difference here is that his endorsement comes when the election is no longer really in question. Had he done this back in Jan or Feb, I would have felt the same way I did about the John Lewis situation.
He said himself that the race was very close in New Mexico & that Obama is the clear leader for the nomination. He's won more states, votes & pledged delegates. At some point, you have to move forward with a candidate.

Also, overwhelming support for Clinton is a bit of an exaggeration. Being that Richardson
is the governor, he represents the entire state & Clinton won New Mexico 49% to 48%. That's hardly overwhelming if you consider Obama won Georgia 67% to 31%. THAT'S overwhelming. Besides, I believe specifically in the congressional district that Lewis represented, the vote was 75% Obama to 25% for Clinton.

If anything, Richardson's endorsement is not only a wake up call to the latino voters in this country but the final death blow to Hillary's campaign. This man worked in the Clinton administration for years & is an avid Clinton supporter. If he can see Obama is the clear cut choice, as the election results have indicated, the only person left to acknowledge this is Hillary.

I don't think Richardson is going to be hurt by this at all. For one, he's supporting the guy who will win the nomination. So he can explain to his constituents that his vote was in the best interest of the democratic party which is to end this futile battle & unite the party for the general election.

I don't think Lewis would have been able to make that claim. I also think Richardson, who has experience in the Clinton Administration, could seek to become apart of Obama's administration (if not running mate, etc) if he desired. It would be a FANTASIC move to help create a better atmosphere between blacks & latinos. Lewis doesn't have the same profile as Richardson & thus doesn't have as many options.

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2008, 10:18:49 PM »

Chris Matthews droppin that ETHER on the Clinton's..

I told y'all...here comes the burial..

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2008, 10:35:11 PM »

Chris Matthews droppin that ETHER on the Clinton's..

I told y'all...here comes the burial..

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Damn Matthews got in that azz!
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 11:23:53 PM »

Aww shyt, Chris Matthews, coming out with it.  Aw hell tell it like it is.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2008, 08:09:07 PM »

Casey vowed neutrality but now backs Obama
Why the Pennsylvania senator and superdelegate changed his mind
By Ken Strickland
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updated 4:51 p.m. ET, Fri., March. 28, 2008

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23848263/

After vowing not to endorse a Democratic candidate for president until his state's primary next month, Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey changed his mind.

The Democrat threw his support behind Sen. Barack Obama Friday, insisting that he could no longer stay on the sidelines.

In a news conference after his public announcement, the senator spoke of his decision to make a potentially game-changing endorsement.

"For a long, long time I was not only neutral but an undecided voter," said Casey. "That changed recently."

"I believe in this guy like I've never believed in a candidate in my life, except my father," Casey continued, comparing Obama to two term Pennsylvania Gov. Robert Casey, Sr.

Casey made his endorsement earlier at the University of Pittsburgh, standing shoulder to shoulder with his presidential pick.

A source close to Casey said the senator's "enough is enough" attitude regarding the recent party infighting between Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton lead to his change of heart.

On Friday, Casey said that he's been impressed by Obama's "character in this campaign... He's appealed to 'the better angels of our nature,' to use [Abraham] Lincoln's line, under very difficult circumstances in a presidential campaign like this."

"I really believe that in a time of danger around the world and in division here at home, Barack Obama can lead us, he can heal us, he can help rebuild America," he added.

Terry Madonna, the Director of the Center for Politics and Public Affairs at Franklin and Marshall College, went even further. He said that Casey thought "what was going on was ruinous and destructive."

For more than 30 years, Madonna has covered Keystone State politics and spoke with Casey in recent weeks while the senator remained uncommitted. "Primarily, this is the best way to move the [nomination] process forward and not the let the bitterness continue within the party," said Madonna.

While the timing of the announcement was unexpected, the choice of Obama over Clinton may not shock those who remember the 1992 Democratic convention.

At the time, Casey's father was the state's pro-life governor, a position held by a small minority of elected Democrats. That stance is widely believed to be the rationale that led then-nominee Bill Clinton to deny the elder Casey a speaking role during the convention.

"Dad was beyond incensed," over the events at that convention, Madonna said, but he suspects it's not the singular motive for the endorsement.

He said the Caseys' "dance to their own tune," again referencing their positions as pro-life Democrats in a pro-choice party. But Madonna said the 1992 convention is the "backdrop" for which Casey endorsement must be viewed. "It's my hunch that [the 1992 convention] prevented him from having a close relationship with the Clintons."

Without mentioning Casey's previous pledge to stay neutral, Obama called the endorsement meaningful.

"I understood that you know we're behind in the Pennsylvania polls," Obama told Casey during the event. "I just want to say it would have been easy for Bob just to stay out of it, just to stay neutral... but when he called me and said, I think this is the right thing to do, it meant as much to me as any endorsement that I've received on the campaign trail."

In addition to trailing in various polls, Obama also trails significantly in Pennsylvania superdelegate endorsements, according to Madonna. By his count only four support Obama, while Clinton has the backing of 12, including Gov. Ed Rendell and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter.

Madonna said the Casey endorsement may siphon off some of Clinton's support among white, working class, catholic voters.

He said the Casey family's social conservatism has historically done well with so-called Reagan Democrats. "In Pennsylvania, they're called 'Casey Democrats,''" Madonna added.

The effect of Casey's support may be immeasurable during the Pennsylvania primary on April 22 but it can be seen as definite superdelegate boost. And in the wake of New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson's recent Obama endorsement, some Democratic strategists are wondering if a movement is afoot; a movement of superdelegates going against the grain of their state.

"The Casey endorsement may move other superdelegates to jump on the Obama bandwagon sooner rather than later," said Democratic strategist Stephanie Cutter.

"It seems that the [superdelegate] race was stuck and today's endorsement may just shake it loose."

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2008, 09:24:46 PM »

FINISH HER!!!

updated 5:18 p.m. EDT, Fri March 28, 2008
High-profile Obama backers urge Clinton to quit

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 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A pair of high-profile backers of Sen. Barack Obama have called on his rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, to drop out of the race for the Democratic nomination for president.


Some of Sen. Barack Obama's best-known backers are urging Sen. Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, issued the most unvarnished statement Friday, saying Clinton "has every right, but not a very good reason, to remain a candidate for as long as she wants to."

Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, who sought the Democratic nomination for president himself but threw his support behind Obama after dropping out of the race in January, expressed a similar sentiment Thursday.

"I mean, if a person wants to stay in the race, stay in the race," he told the National Journal, a Washington magazine.

"But if you have enough people rallying behind what appears to be the likely choice, and I believe the choice is Barack Obama ... then I think you have to step up to the plate and say, 'Enough is enough.' We want this to be over with."

Larry Sabato, a professor of politics at the University of Virginia, said the Obama campaign was probably behind the remarks.

"Those things don't just happen," he said. "They must have gotten some encouragement from the Obama hierarchy. Senators like Leahy and Dodd can occasionally pop off, but not in a situation like this."

The Obama campaign denied responsibility for the Dodd and Leahy comments. Obama has said it is not for others to say when a candidate should get out of the race. Video Watch more on the Democratic primary divisions »

Sabato said he thought the interventions were ill-timed, regardless of who is responsible.

"She's going to win handily in Pennsylvania, Kentucky, West Virginia, Puerto Rico," Sabato predicted, referring to nominating contests coming up before June 3, when primary season ends.

At an event in Mishawaka, Indiana, Clinton discussed her chances of winning the Democratic nomination.

"There are some people who are saying, you know, 'We really ought to end this primary; we ought to just shut down,' " Clinton said. "There was a poll the other day that said ... let people vote."

Obama has 1,625 delegates to Clinton's 1,486, according to the latest CNN estimate.

"When you're still winning primaries, you don't drop out. There is almost no chance either one is going to drop out; we are going to go through the primaries," Sabato said. Video Watch DNC Chairman Howard Dean's comments on the race »
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But Tad Devine, a Democratic strategist who is not backing either candidate, advised against predicting how the Obama-Clinton battle will end.

"We are in uncharted waters," he said, pointing out that there is little precedent for two candidates to be so close in the number of delegates backing them at this stage.
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 08:55:12 AM »

she knows the longer she stays in, the slimmer the chance Obama will have of unifying the party prior to the convention and beyond.   Angry  I LOATHE her and her skeeting on an intern's dress husband with a passion, they both need to go poof! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2008, 09:40:57 AM »

I think Obama is right on the stance he has taken (and letting others say the "get out" mantra)... because he cannot be seen as discounting the votes of the remaining states.  I would like to see him ignore her and focus his energy on debating McCain's policies - as if she scarcely existed.  He needs to reclaim his lead role in the campaign and move on.

It's reported that her campaign is $8.7 million in debt!  The writing is on the wall, but she's not going to relinquish.  As she and her husband have said - it's her or McCain...  She wants to significantly weaken Obama's candidacy so that he will lose in the general election (only she or McCain are qualified, so vote for her or vote for McCain)... she can then return in four years and re-compete for the job since McCain will definitely be too old for re-election.

If I had my druthers, she will not drop out voluntarily.  I would love to see him trounce her in the remaining campaigns - where he clearly wins by mandate from the voters... so she has no choice but to listen to the people.

Unfortunately, with all that has been happening in the past three weeks, I doubt if he'll have another month like February sweeps...
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2008, 10:30:10 AM »

she knows the longer she stays in, the slimmer the chance Obama will have of unifying the party prior to the convention and beyond.   Angry  I LOATHE her and her skeeting on an intern's dress husband with a passion, they both need to go poof! Roll Eyes

It's ok to say it Tran.. SHE HATING!! TRAN SEE IT! - LOL!

I think Obama is right on the stance he has taken (and letting others say the "get out" mantra)... because he cannot be seen as discounting the votes of the remaining states.  I would like to see him ignore her and focus his energy on debating McCain's policies - as if she scarcely existed.  He needs to reclaim his lead role in the campaign and move on.

It's reported that her campaign is $8.7 million in debt!  The writing is on the wall, but she's not going to relinquish.  As she and her husband have said - it's her or McCain...  She wants to significantly weaken Obama's candidacy so that he will lose in the general election (only she or McCain are qualified, so vote for her or vote for McCain)... she can then return in four years and re-compete for the job since McCain will definitely be too old for re-election.

If I had my druthers, she will not drop out voluntarily.  I would love to see him trounce her in the remaining campaigns - where he clearly wins by mandate from the voters... so she has no choice but to listen to the people.

Unfortunately, with all that has been happening in the past three weeks, I doubt if he'll have another month like February sweeps...

Yeah, she's in major debt right now. It's not looking good. People in her camp are saying she has like a 10% chance to win. Folx like Nancy Pelosi & Howard Dean are starting to tire or her antics & indirect threats. Richardson game out to support Obama after the Rev Wright issue. Pennsylvania superdelegate Senator Casey came out in support Obama *prior* to the primary.

Bottom line, the movement to nominate Obama has started. In fact, Obama has snagged 64 superdelegates since Super Tuesday & has a 6-to-1 advantage over Hillary since that time. WHY ISN'T THAT ALL OVER THE NEWS? - HAHAHAHAHA!

See, the news media trying to run that interference. That tricknowledge ain't working. WE GOT THE INTERNET NOW! - HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh yeah, senator Klobuchar of Minnesota. Add her to the list too...

http://tinyurl.com/2u2d6a

Don't be surprised at all if the gap is significantly closed in PA or if Obama pulls off what most would consider an upset based on the early polls.



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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2008, 08:53:04 AM »


It's Obama, stupid: Carter and Gore to end Clinton bid


http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/It39s-Obama-stupid-Carter-and.3976738.jp

By Chris Stephen
in New York

DEMOCRAT grandees Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are being lined-up to deliver the coup de grâce to Hillary Clinton and end her campaign to become president. Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

Former president Carter and former vice-president Gore have already held high-level discussions about delivering the message that she must stand down for the good of the Democrats.

"They're in discussions," a source close to Carter told Scotland on Sunday. "Carter has been talking to Gore. They will act, possibly together, or in sequence."

An appeal by both men for Democrats to unite behind Clinton's rival, Barack Obama, would have a powerful effect, and insiders say it is a question of when, rather than if, they act.

Obama has an almost unassailable lead in the battle for nomination delegates, and is closing the gap with Clinton in her last stronghold, Pennsylvania, which votes on April 22.

Clinton remains publicly defiant, insisting she will continue the battle with Obama all the way to the Democratic convention in August – when superdelegates, or party top brass, will have the chance to add their weight to primary votes.

But the party's top brass have concluded her further participation in the race can only harm the party as Republican nominee John McCain strives to take advantage of her increasingly bitter battle with Obama.

Both Carter and Gore occupy the rarefied position of elder statesmen – in addition to their White House past, both are winners of the Nobel Peace Prize, giving them additional gravitas to carry the party with them.

Neither of them is likely to object to the role of bringing down the curtain on Clinton. While neither man has formally endorsed either her or Obama, both have clashed in the past with the Clintons.

Gore blames his loss to George Bush in the 2000 presidential election on the impeachment of Clinton triggered by his White House affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Carter, who has carved out a successful career as an international mediator, is believed to detest the flashy style of the Clintons. He recently told an interviewer that his entire family are committed Obama supporters.

A number of options are being considered by the higher echelons of the Democrats, but they fall roughly into two categories. One is for Carter and Gore to go to Clinton privately and ask her to step down. The other is for both men to appear in public and endorse Obama – a move which would see a majority of superdelegates go with them.

The campaign to force Clinton to make an early exit is being masterminded in Congress, home to the most influential of the superdelegates. Senate Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have called on superdelegates to hold an unofficial congress in early June to anoint a winner, rather than waiting for the convention in Denver.

Pelosi has drawn withering fire from the Clinton camp for saying that these superdelegates must follow the national vote, with Clinton insisting that they should "vote with their conscience".

Yet some in the Democratic elite are wary of moving too soon. Polls show that 30% of Clinton's supporters would vote for McCain if she fails to become the nominee. To close off Clinton's bid before millions have had the chance to vote risks causing the very split that officials are desperate to avoid.

But a loss to Obama, or even a single-digit victory, in Pennsylvania will seal Clinton's fate. Pennsylvania is the last big state left in the race, and the last chance for Clinton to claw back Obama's delegate lead. "If he (Obama] wins (Pennsylvania] flat out, I think the big foot will come down," a source said.

Anything less than a resounding victory by her will probably see the race choked off ahead of the final primaries on June 3.

In the 10 remaining primaries, only a catastrophic loss of support by Obama will see Clinton overcome his lead of 160 delegates.

She admits she has little chance of winning the public vote, and is basing her strategy on convincing party-appointed superdelegates that she is, in her own words, the more "electable" of the two candidates.

Clinton enjoys strong support among superdelegates, many from a party elite who worked for her husband Bill during his years in the White House. There are more than 350 superdelegates who have yet to show a preference, potentially enough to rub out Obama's lead and give the presidency to Clinton.

But historically, superdelegates have never gone against the public vote, and party insiders say they would face a revolt, or even riots, if they were to do so now.

Obama's campaign has been a phenomenon in American politics, bringing in record numbers of new voters and record funding, and few think the superdelegates would dare deny him victory if he wins the popular vote.

It would also invite the unedifying spectacle of a mostly white elite denying an African American candidate a chance for the presidency. "It would cause a scandal to do that," says one party official. "To turn around to the black community and say, 'You got the most votes, but no'? Unlikely."

Clinton insists she will see her campaign through to the final primaries in June, and then on to the national convention, where her supporters have powerful lobbies in the organising committees.

But a chain of events in the past two weeks has worked to undermine this strategy, pulling the rug from under her claim to be more experienced and better organised than Obama.

It began with her extraordinary suggestion that she braved sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996, a statement contradicted by TV footage showing the event was peaceful.

There are suggestions that the long list of wealthy benefactors may be expecting favours to be returned once Hillary is in the White House, suggestions sharpened by the Clinton's refusal to release the list of donors to the William J. Clinton Presidential Library.

Such conflict-of-interest issues came into the open last week when it emerged that Clinton's chief campaign strategist, Mark Penn, was lobbying for the Colombian government to secure a free trade agreement with America, despite Clinton's public opposition to such a deal. Penn stepped down, the second high-profile sacking of a campaign manager this year.

Together with reports that Clinton's money troubles have left her unable to pay event organisers and even the health insurance of her staff, the impression is of a campaign in trouble.

These issues have undermined Clinton's claim to be more "electable", with her own stormy campaign contrasting with the disciplined control of Obama's organisation.

Obama himself has refrained from criticism on these issues, his staff keen to portray their candidate as "presidential" and above the fray.

Conspiracy theorists among her opponents claim Clinton is prolonging the race not because she hopes to win, but to inflict such damage on the party that a weakened Obama loses to John McCain in November, allowing Clinton to have a second tilt at the nomination in four years' time.

For Clinton, defeat in the nomination process would mean consignment to the political wilderness.

Losing nominees rarely get a second chance to run, and although Clinton's seat as a New York senator seems safe, failure in the nomination process leaves her politically neutered.

Talk of a possible consolation prize, in awarding her the job of Senate Majority leader, has petered out with several more senior senators also coveting the job.

Meanwhile, Clinton's poll numbers continue to slide. Obama now leads her nationally by about 10 points, and a CNN poll in Pennsylvania showed him closing the once-yawning gap to just three points.

Should Clinton lose Pennsylvania, the defection of growing numbers of superdelegates from her to Obama could become a flood.

After Pennsylvania

Possible outcomes of the crucial Democrat primary of April 22.

1. Clinton wins big

A win of 20 points or more over Obama in Pennsylvania would keep Clinton's campaign alive. She would also have to replicate this result in the nine states still to vote, narrowing the gap with her rival and convincing the all-important party superdelegates to choose her as nominee.

2. Clinton wins small

A victory in single digits, in a state where Clinton was once 20 points ahead, would make little difference to Obama's lead. Yet a win is a win, and she would be likely to try to stay in the race until June, unless superdelegates stepped in.

3. Obama wins small

A single figure victory on Clinton's 'home turf' would cement Obama's claim to the nomination. Superdelegates would be likely to declare him the nominee before June.

4. Convincing win for Obama

A double-digit Obama victory would be the shock of the primary contest. It would be followed by a stampede of superdelegates rushing to be front of the queue to embrace him.

Obama forced to backtrack

DEMOCRAT Barack Obama last night conceded that comments he made about bitter working-class voters who "cling to guns or religion" were ill chosen, as he tried to stem a burst of complaints that could hurt his chances in upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

"I didn't say it as well as I should have," he
said, at a campaign rally in Indiana.

As he tried to quell the furore, presidential rival Hillary Clinton hit him with one of her lengthiest and most pointed criticisms, saying: "Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch."

At issue are comments Obama made privately at a fundraiser last Sunday. He explained his troubles winning over white, working-class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions: "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment to explain their frustrations."

The comments, posted on the Huffington Post political website, set off a storm of criticism and threatened to highlight an Obama Achilles' heel – the image that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant, aloof and carries himself with an air of superiority.

The full article contains 1711 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008, 05:28:47 AM »

Hill and gang are foaming at the mouth with excitement over Obama's statement of truth about the bitterness that is sweeping those in "small town America" that have been disenfranchised and forgotten.

Here's a clip from CNN discussing it.  Jack Cafferty nails it....again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwG4BlK8w_Y&feature=related
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2008, 07:05:17 AM »

The mainstream media should be ashamed of trying to create controversies where there are  none. They tried with Rev. Wright (in fact Glenn Beck & Sean Hannity are still trying) but Obama squashed it & now this. Most fair minded Americans these days aren't preconditioned to be in opposition w/ Obama just because he's black. If they disagree, it's because they genuinely disagree. Same with Hillary & her gender. (Again, we're talking fair minded people.  Those who would vote for who they thought was the best candidate other factors aside.) They know the guy isn't a senator just for kicks & giggles. They're listening to what he's saying, not just looking at his race. MSM hasn't figured that out yet. Their losing the ability to manipulate people based on race & gender. And, with the internet, they're losing their relevance as people are turning to other sources of information to get the comprehensive analysis that MSM so desperately lacks.
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