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« Reply #75 on: June 20, 2008, 07:26:18 PM »

But Ndgo.... uh... SO WHAT?

Ahhhh... you are still late and a dollar short.... lol... I'm not going back over stuff that I already posted. But you're coming in the in the tale end of the discussion -- And totally missing the point ... All I'm inclined to do here is give Kudos to devineone for the excellent points made -- Dang that girl is thorough! and do a little clean-up work as I see fit... straightening up a few ducks and putting them in a row... Just the same, I'm not interested enough to help you parse through the details of what was implied rather vs. what was actually said... just suffice it to say.... long to short... you totally missed the boat on the point being made.... not that I expect any different, btw...  Cool
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« Reply #76 on: June 20, 2008, 07:55:23 PM »

Again you  pull stuff out of the air then go off on some tangent because neither you nor Ndgo can present ANY evidence, none whatever to support your lies

Really, now? No evidence at all?? None? Here's a few snippets.... and let's not forget the link posted from the Rollingstone article with direct quotes that you or anyone else can check for themselves...

A difference of opinion Oceanus1 does not mean that someone is lying...  especially when everything can be backed up by multiple sources... these facts are at the tips of anyone's fingertips... and thanks, btw for the class action lawsuit tip... but it's not needed... lawsuits had already been filed... and low and behold... those lawsuits actually repeat some of those same allegations... who would thought that they actually pulled the same allegations out of the air? Wow... what a coincidence!

August 22, 2007 | Dateline’s “Predator” series faces lawsuits and criticism
By David Cassel


Dateline’s “To Catch a Predator” series has become a target itself for criticism — by 20/20, Esquire, and an online magazine, as well a former producer, a Georgia judge, a local news reporter, and the relatives of two of the show’s targets.

In the news segments, online decoys lure men to a house to meet underaged sex partners — where instead the men are videotaped and arrested. Last year the Washington Post reported that the decoying group received more than $100,000 from NBC after they “hired an agent to negotiate.” The show’s former producer now says Dateline violated “numerous journalistic ethical standards,” and challenges Dateline’s argument that the police are performing a separate, parallel investigation, calling it “a ruse”.

According to a May lawsuit which appears on The Smoking Gun site, former producer Marsha Bartel objects to NBC also purchasing the surveillance systems used by the police, and notes that the network even pays or “indirectly reimburses” law enforcement officials for the stings. Saying this blurs lines between television and law enforcement, she also spills details about the show’s other apparent lapses in journalism. (For example, Dateline’s failing to report the police officers “waving rubber chickens in the faces of sting targets while forcing them to the ground and handcuffing them.”)

The former producer’s lawsuit also challenges the rationale for the series, disputing Hansen’s statement that “at any given time, 50,000 predators were on the internet prowling for children,” saying it’s actually contradicted by Hansen’s own source. Reuters reports additional concerns about Dateline’s coverage from a journalism ethics expert at the Poynter Institute. “While she acknowledged that Internet predators are a legitimate concern, she said that more child-sex predators live in the same home as the children, and that if NBC wanted to do a public service that they should do stories on those situations and ways that communities can keep children safe.”

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« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2008, 11:19:43 PM »

But Ndgo.... uh... SO WHAT?

Ahhhh... you are still late and a dollar short.... lol... I'm not going back over stuff that I already posted. But you're coming in the in the tale end of the discussion -- And totally missing the point ... All I'm inclined to do here is give Kudos to devineone for the excellent points made -- Dang that girl is thorough! and do a little clean-up work as I see fit... straightening up a few ducks and putting them in a row... Just the same, I'm not interested enough to help you parse through the details of what was implied rather vs. what was actually said... just suffice it to say.... long to short... you totally missed the boat on the point being made.... not that I expect any different, btw...  Cool



Uh yeah.. what did oceanus1 say? More diversions.. Lame..  Yeah, pretty much.

Look, just because I decided to post at this point doesn't mean I wasn't following the conversation. And even if I wasn't reading those epic plea cops, I read the excerpt that you posted to which I say again.. UH, SO WHAT?

The bottom line is that all of those guys are predators regardless of being enticed or not. However, I've come to accept your submission as misdirection poorly hidden in the form of an attempted insult.
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« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2008, 06:59:32 AM »

Good Riddance to an awful show... I WISH this case would have gone to court to expose the show for exactly was it was.... pure entertainment... but alas, NBC knew it would have lost far more than the 100 million bucks they were being sued for... they blurred the lines between scripted entertainment and tabloid semi-journalism... Chris Hanson was more game show host than reporter in what was nothing more than a role. Anyway... NBC settles... but the truth is still out there... too bad a judge dismissed the case of the show's producer which raised some very interesting questions about the ethics, methods and motives of the show... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0529071nbc1.html

NBC resolves lawsuit over 'To Catch a Predator' suicide
03:35 PM PT, Jun 24 2008
 NEW YORK — NBC Universal has “amicably resolved” a $105-million lawsuit filed by a woman whose brother committed suicide during a taping of its controversial “Dateline NBC” series “To Catch a Predator,” both parties said today.

Bruce Baron, an attorney for Patricia Conradt, told The Times in an interview today that “the matter has been amicably resolved to the satisfaction of both parties.”

Conradt’s brother, Louis William Conradt Jr., a 56-year-old assistant county prosecutor in a Dallas suburb, shot himself in November 2006 when officers showed up at his house as part of a pedophilia sting arranged by “Dateline.”

Patricia Conradt sued NBC last July, claiming that the network interfered with police duties and then failed to protect her brother's safety.

When asked today about the status of the suit, NBC News spokeswoman Jenny Tartikoff echoed Baron, saying “the matter has been amicably resolved.”

Both sides declined to comment on when they came to agreement or the terms of the resolution. A sealed document regarding the suit was filed with the court June 3, but the case remains open, according a spokesman for the New York Southern District Court.

The resolution of the lawsuit caps a controversial chapter for “Dateline,” which drew both ratings bonanzas and sharp critiques for its “To Catch a Predator” investigations. In the segments, which NBC began airing in 2004, the newsmagazine worked with an Internet watchdog group called Perverted Justice to contact men online who were seeking to meet underage children for sex, then lure them to a house, where they were confronted on camera. Police waiting outside then arrested the men.

Media ethicists objected to the deception used in the investigation, as well as NBC’s close relationship with law enforcement agencies in the jurisdictions where it set up stings.

NBC News executives staunchly defended the “Predator” investigations but eventually concluded the series had become too highly charged to continue. “Dateline” quietly aired its 12th and final installment of “Predator” in late December.

Tartikoff said that “Dateline” is currently focused on investigative stories about national security and the economy, adding that if the newsmagazine pursues further “Predator” segments, “we want to make sure we are complementing past investigations, not just repeating them.”

Louis Conradt was one of two dozen men in the Dallas-Fort Worth area snared by the ninth “Predator” sting in the fall of 2006. He allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with a Perverted Justice member posing as a 13-year-old boy, and then an actor invited Conradt to meet him at a decoy house NBC set up in Murphy, Texas.

But Conradt did not show up at a camera-rigged house, where “Dateline” correspondent Chris Hansen and local police were waiting, outfitted with cameras provided by NBC, Hansen later told Dallas-Fort Worth television station WFAA-TV, which did its own investigation into the incident.

The next day, a "Dateline" crew and a team of officers went to find Conradt at his home in a nearby town. "Dateline" cameras taped the scene as a police tactical team forced its way into Conradt’s house. As the officers entered, Conradt shot himself with a small-caliber semi-automatic handgun. He died later at a nearby hospital.

The incident was featured in a “To Catch a Predator” segment that aired on “Dateline” in February 2007.

In her lawsuit, Patricia Conradt accused NBC of being “concerned more with its own profits than with pedophilia.”

She claimed a police officer at the scene of the shooting told a “Dateline” producer: “That’ll make good TV.”

The network said her suit was without merit.

But in February, U.S. District Judge Denny Chin ruled that the case could go forward on claims of intentional infliction of emotional distress and violation of civil rights.

Chin dismissed some causes of action but said in his ruling that the network “placed itself squarely in the middle of a police operation, pushing the police to engage in tactics that were unnecessary and unwise, solely to generate more dramatic footage for a television show.”

“A reasonable jury could find that by doing so, NBC created a substantial risk of suicide or other harm, and that it engaged in conduct so outrageous and extreme that no civilized society should tolerate it,” Chin wrote.

At the time, NBC said it planned to fight the claim, saying it had “acted responsibly and lawfully.”

“Dateline’s” Murphy sex sting failed to net any convictions. The Collin County district attorney’s office declined to pursue more than 20 cases related to the “Predator” operation, citing problems with the evidence gathered.


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