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« on: April 30, 2009, 12:39:08 PM »

This is a post I made on another message board and decided to post it up over here for review and comment.  With the NAACP report on Black America stating that 70% of Black women are single, this is an issue that we really should examine from all angles.

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Marriage to a partner who sees you as an equal, who is there with you side by side, respect and admiration flowing freely between you two, neither superior or more entitled to anything than the other, both parties needs being met equally - that kind of partnership is ideal for women and one I would openly advocate!  But that does not seem to be the kind of marriage that most men have in mind when they fantasize about having a wife.

I never said that marriage is positively, absolutely something that women should unilaterally abandon.  What I meant by my last sentence about the type of marriage above not being the ideal fantasy of men with regards to marriage is that MEN need to adjust their thinking somewhat.  The Doris Day apron wearing 1950s stay at home wearing a house dress and matching heels waiting for you to come home type of wife is as extinct as the DoDo bird. 

Men want the traditional wife in a traditional role when it is convenient for them, and the modern woman who pays half of everything, keeps the house without asking him to do anything, and handles business affairs etc. when THAT is convenient for them as well.

Can't have it both ways.  Women have to adjust their thinking in this regard as well when they fantasize that marriage and a man is going to save them in some way, or make her feel she is something she is not.  Marriage to that type of woman is a burden and an obligation men RUN from in fear.

I think it would be a step in the right direction for all singles considering marriage to sit down and get clear on these things:

(1) What does "marriage" really mean to you?
(2) Honestly assess your motives: exactly why it is that you want to be married?
(3) What is it that you bring to the marriage (and I don't mean chips and cars)?
(4) What is it that you have to offer to a partner?
(5) Are you desires/expectations realistic or based on childhood fairy tale fantasies?
(6) Are you truly prepared to abandon your pride and need to be right?
(7) And finally, can you let go of any thoughts of leaving this man or woman, and to roll up your sleeves and do ALL THE WORK necessary to make that relationship last until the day you die - no excuses, no games, nothing but putting the relationship and what it needs on the front burner 24/7/365?

Those are the issues at hand when it comes to marriage.  I think most people accept that they are not ready, and that is why we have so many single (albeit "eligible") adults in the Black community.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 01:15:07 PM »

I think it would be a step in the right direction for all singles considering marriage to sit down and get clear on these things:

(1) What does "marriage" really mean to you?
(2) Honestly assess your motives: exactly why it is that you want to be married?
(3) What is it that you bring to the marriage (and I don't mean chips and cars)?
(4) What is it that you have to offer to a partner?
(5) Are you desires/expectations realistic or based on childhood fairy tale fantasies?
(6) Are you truly prepared to abandon your pride and need to be right?
(7) And finally, can you let go of any thoughts of leaving this man or woman, and to roll up your sleeves and do ALL THE WORK necessary to make that relationship last until the day you die - no excuses, no games, nothing but putting the relationship and what it needs on the front burner 24/7/365?

Those are the issues at hand when it comes to marriage.  I think most people accept that they are not ready, and that is why we have so many single (albeit "eligible") adults in the Black community.
These are good things to consider.  I'm going to let a friend of mine in 'Bama know about this.  His whole emphasis is saving 'hiimself' for marriage.  He has put so much emphasis on keeping sex within marriage, that I wonder if he has put as much emphasis on these other aspects of marriage.

People seem to weigh sex more heavily than other traits that makes for a successful marriage. They seem to think that because they come to a marriage a virgin, 'they have brought a gift' beyond all compare. Roll Eyes  Yet these people don't have a clue about how relations (not in the carnel sense, they don't know that either Cheesy), but relating as one does with people.  Marriage is a relationship and that requires 'relating skills' and these are skills that are learned.  Often many of us didn't get a good example of relating in marriage from our folks and other loved ones.

Thanks for these points. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 03:05:16 PM »

I will post this up with but if you want to dissect it be woman/man enough to put up your version.

(1)   What does "marriage" really mean to you?

Marriage means you become a permanent part of another person. All the struggles and successes of life become shared.  Would you lie to your arm? Let me go parable with it LOL. Would you disrespect your leg? I believe those examples were the equivalent of one purposely hurting their spouse. Its similar to working out. We join in union our relationship is strong but it can grow and become more tone and refined just like a body. So marriage is something you workout at and the more you exercise it the stronger it grows just like muscles. Eventually your marriage becomes cut up like a body builder and people can see how happy you are a mile away.

 (2) Honestly assess your motives: exactly why it is that you want to be married?

Truthfully I want to be married because I have dated a lot of women and dating is no longer has the appeal it used to . The more people you interact with the more problems you encounter the more unprotected sex you have the greater you chance for aids people just aren’t honest about things. I have enough dating experience to write a book. It’s like boxing. Some boxing champs have won the belt in multiple weight classes and become undisputed champion. Well after you become undisputed what is there? I have accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish in dating except finding a wife. The prospect of dating (fighting) without the intention of getting married is a waste of time. It would be like a boxer fighting for the love of the sport without getting paid.

I’m grown tired of the thrill of the night the walk from the tunnel toward the ring which the dating scene. I have had too many trilogy fights. The mental sparring and physical blows from each failed relationships have never healed. During a warriors youth he seeks conflict to prove himself. He has the desire to kill but with age and wisdom the warrior realizes the ultimate battles cannot be won with violence but with peace.  Peace is that allusive thing which I seek now. One woman who loves me as I love her. Her words, actions and attitude should match up to her feeling toward me.

I’m like Obi-wan Kenobi from star wars I mean I have mastered the art of dating warfare to mythological levels but I have no desire to fight with these women who are upcoming Darth Vader players. I lower my weapon… I could out play most of them but I have no desire to fight strike me dead so I can have peace.

(3) What is it that you bring to the marriage (and I don't mean chips and cars)?

My love my companionship my wiliness to compromise my undying loyalty. My creative genius, my perspective etc.

(4) What is it that you have to offer to a partner?

Love and consistency. Everything from 3 above in addition to

(5) Are you desires/expectations realistic or based on childhood fairy tale fantasies?

No. I have seen happily married people so I know it exist! Mzsheel was one my parents are another.

(6) Are you truly prepared to abandon your pride and need to be right?

Depends on how complex the issue. I have had black women argue that Bush was a good president so LOL…

(7) And finally, can you let go of any thoughts of leaving this man or woman, and to roll up your sleeves and do ALL THE WORK necessary to make that relationship last until the day you die - no excuses, no games, nothing but putting the relationship and what it needs on the front burner 24/7/365?

Yes I do that now with the few special women I anoint to girlfriend status but most women aren’t mentally prepared to be a wife. They talk a good game no what their needs are but are not mentally and emotionally equipped to handle the needs of real man.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2009, 12:30:55 AM »

As someone who has had the ups and downs of a relationship culminating in marriage, I'll try to take a stab at this. 


(1) What does "marriage" really mean to you?


Sacrifice, compromise and trust.  People get married thinking that marriage makes life more convenient.  It doesn't.  It makes it complicated and messy.  It makes you make choices you normally wouldn't make.  You may have to sacrifice lots of things to make it work, even things that you enjoy, all for the sake of love.  Most people can't or won't do it.  The second is compromise.  You have to be willing to set aside your pride and meet your spouse halfway.  Because the marriage isn't all about you, it's about two people making it work TOGETHER. 

And another point about pride:  never be afraid to say you're sorry and admit your mistakes.  You will hurt your spouses feelings somewhere down the line, you will make mistakes, and you will have to admit you are wrong.  But if your spouse is wrong, don't keep a list or wrongs or rights.  Learn to forgive and forget and move on.  And last, is trust.  If you cannot trust your partner with your life, your love, your affections, the marriage will not last. 

Trust is the foundation onto which marriage is made.  And lastly, communication.  Marriage is all about both of you being able to come to each other and have honest conversations.  Will they hurt?  Maybe.  Will the things being said be uncomfortable and mind blowing?  Maybe that too.  But it is necessary.

(2) Honestly assess your motives: exactly why it is that you want to be married?

I wanted to marry my husband because I couldn't imagine waking up in the morning without him by my side.  I wanted his humor, his intellect, and his joy of life to be with me always.  Simply, I could live without him; I don't believe a woman is incomplete without a man. I just didn't want to be without him.  I never planned on getting married, in fact, I thought I would never have the kind of marriage my parents have, that that kind of love is rare.  But I found it, and I couldn't let it go.

(3) What is it that you bring to the marriage (and I don't mean chips and cars)?


I am a person that is educated, talented, optimistic, joyful and loving.  I've always believed that in order to have great people in your life, you've got to be pretty darn great yourself.  I try to always try new things,  I love positivity and when life gives me lemons, I make sorbet.   

(4) What is it that you have to offer to a partner?


Unconditional love and respect, as well as support and encouragement.  That's easy to say, and hard to do, but it can be done.  Respect for your partner is a big thing!  I believe that it is best to love people as they are and accept their flaws and faults.  If you don't think your partner is on par with you, it won't work. 

Women often try to see a guy as he "could" be and not as he is.  Love a man for who he is, not for what you believe him to be.  Now, I'm not saying you should just overlook bad characteristics, but take these into consideration before getting married.  I could tolerate a man with a penchant for slight disorganization, but I couldn't imagine getting married to one with compulsive gambling problems.  I also try to give as much as I take.  I often try to give him consideration and kindness and try to take an active interest in the things he enjoys and be an interesting person in turn.   

(5) Are you desires/expectations realistic or based on childhood fairy tale fantasies?

I think I am.  I don't expect my hubby to sweep me off my feet with diamond rings, chocolates and violins every anniversary, but if I'm sick and he holds me and gets me soup, I'm charmed.  He'll fix the car, go buy groceries, cook and clean without me asking and is the go to person for all IT and computer problems.  He's not perfect.  At all.  But he shows his affections in small ways, and I appreciate it.  Yes, he snores.   Grin  He can be a little messy.   Roll Eyes  But to expect perfection is to expect someone who is not human.  Because humans are not perfect.
 
(6) Are you truly prepared to abandon your pride and need to be right?

I try.  It's a struggle though.  I think everyone wants to be right.  But that's when you gotta swallow your pride.  It took me awhile to do that though.  I'd hold on to things for days and we'd snipe and be angry with each other.  But once we got to the point where we said "Is this really that important?  Is it really?"  We both learned to let stuff go and to not always be right.  It's still hard, but once you get into the habit you have a lot more peace!

(7) And finally, can you let go of any thoughts of leaving this man or woman, and to roll up your sleeves and do ALL THE WORK necessary to make that relationship last until the day you die - no excuses, no games, nothing but putting the relationship and what it needs on the front burner 24/7/365?

Man, this is the hardest thing to do!  Most people think happily ever after is just that.  But that's when the real work begins.  You've got to treat marriage just like it's a career.  People make all the right sacrifices for their career right?  Well, the same goes for marriage.  You've got to be dedicated, loyal, and not willing to give out trade secrets.  Do you see coke giving out the problems with their secret formula?  Nope.  Then you don't broadcast all your business to your friends, relatives, co-workers and neighbors.  You go to the right people if you need help.  You've got to tweak it, watch it, make sure you're on top of all the new happenings and going-ons, constantly remake and reinvent things, invest time and effort, work overtime, weekends, holidays, sometimes sacrifice parties and trips all for the sake of your marriage.   It is A LOT of hard work.  It is not always pretty.  But, when the world is whipping you with a big ole stick and you're afraid, you look over and that person you love so much is holding you and giving you comfort, and having your back, it's all worth it. 
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