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« Reply #330 on: January 01, 2007, 08:48:14 PM »

Okay DP.... it's been a couple of days now... did you get a chance to read what you posted?

Actually, I read it too... sounds a little dated... I much prefer the wikipedia site (just type in duke rape case) ... It lists things out long to short and provides the back-up articles, news reports, pro vs cons, and reference materials that can be researched...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_rape_case
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« Reply #331 on: January 01, 2007, 08:59:34 PM »

And this is new.... http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AlcUUsJXmyj18mTkG4GNVv45nYcB?slug=ap-dukelacrosse-ethics&prov=ap&type=lgns

"Duke lacrosse prosecutor could be ousted, or charged long after players cleared
 
By DAVID SCOTT, Associated Press Writer
December 30, 2006

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- By the time the prosecutor in the Duke University lacrosse case is tried on ethics charges, the sexual assault indictment he sought against three players may have been long since dismissed. ... "

Somebody is in big trouble...  Shocked The NC bar assocation filed ethics charges against Nifong...

See now, Nifong isn't the only prosecutor I'd like to see answer for their conduct.  The prosecutor in the Michael Jackson case is another... AND the prosecutor in the Kobe Bryant case is another.... All guilty imo... of following some personal vendetta or burying evidence, instead of following the evidence wherever it leads... It's about time that things turn around! We will ALL be much safer for it.



 


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« Reply #332 on: January 02, 2007, 11:01:15 PM »

Okay DP.... it's been a couple of days now... did you get a chance to read what you posted?

Actually, I read it too... sounds a little dated... I much prefer the wikipedia site (just type in duke rape case) ... It lists things out long to short and provides the back-up articles, news reports, pro vs cons, and reference materials that can be researched...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_rape_case
Sorry, I'm a slow reader...plus I have to be in the mood to think about this case at all.
I of course know of the wikipedia info, but I specifically wanted it all in one piece...and focused more on the EARLY days after the incident...yes..even if is 'dated'  I want to go back to the beginning, b/c THAT was when the initial decisions were made..thats when the balls were sent into motion in the respective directions...before everyone had the benefit of hindsight.   
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« Reply #333 on: January 03, 2007, 06:11:05 PM »

Well, I read it... Thanks for posting it... I really like the narrative flow of the piece... it kept me wondering... who REALLY is the victim here.... 

I think that many of us jumped the gun in the beginning.... myself included.  Undecided  It's very easy to get wrapped up in the polarization... especially when you've got a race-baiting politician stirring up the pot.
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« Reply #334 on: January 07, 2007, 01:48:36 PM »

I think that many of us jumped the gun in the beginning.... myself included.  Undecided 
Hmmm...I dont recall any gun jumping from YOU...from day one, weren't you squarely in the "not so fast y'all' corner?
Anywho..I've finally read the whole article, and as always I'm left with more questions that before.  Until a year or two when the victim is able to do a Barbara Walters or Oprah interview...we wont know her true story.

These are some of the parts that jump out at me....
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The subject had no identification.
Why didn't she have any ID?...did she have a purse/wallet at all?
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She was wearing a see-through red garment (with no underwear) and one white high-heeled shoe.
Where was the other shoe?  Was it ever found...she is said to have gone back to the house for it?
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Shelton conferred with Officer Willie Barfield, who had just arrived. Without an address, the men couldn’t take the woman home,
And what, she couldn't or was too drunk to REMEMBER her own address?  And if that is the case, why would they then consider her in any condition to hold her to whatever she said happened to ther that night?  Should she ONLY be held to what she reports when she sobered up...instead of using the fact that there were some differences in the story she told when she was too drunk/drugged to even remember her own address, compared to the story she told when she sobered up?
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Shelton had gone to the site, a modest white clapboard house with empty cups and beer cans strewn about inside, but when he knocked on the door no one responded.
Here was the "heads up" the Duke men needed...from then on, they had ample opportunity to start cleaning that house of any an all inanimate objects evidence that might have been used in the assualt.
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She said that she had been groped, but that no one forced her to have sex. She’d had an argument with the other stripper, she said, and someone had taken her money.
See, the above is the parts of the story that I'd like to hear from the stripper herself, b/c there should IMMEDIATELY have been a follow up question(with answer recorded) asking why did she earlier claimed to have been raped.
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Shelton stepped outside and called the police station. He told his watch commander that the alleged rape victim had recanted. But within moments he got word that the woman was again claiming rape,
:confused: So, was it a semantics issue, or was the stripper really changing her story from MOMENT to moment? That makes no sense.

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They were also known as enthusiastically social creatures, partyers of the very highest order, and prodigious drinkers, even within a culture inclined to intemperance....Their effort at last season’s final Tailgate was widely deemed their best, as it featured a foam pit that facilitated a measure of “Girls Gone Wild” abandon.
Yep..this is the life the poor innocent little angels need to get back to so their suffering can end...

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Flannery, a senior, had made the call (using the name Adam) to an escort service. He now told Wasiolek that he and his roommates had given a party, that there had been a good deal of drinking, and that they’d ordered two strippers for entertainment. When the women arrived, he said, one of them was incapacitated, and he supposed that she was on drugs. The students paid the women, and asked them to leave early. The woozy woman, Flannery said, eventually passed out, and had to be assisted to her car, at which point both women drove away.
Indigo, I take it, this is the 'version' of the story that you have chosen to believe. When in the history of this planet, has a bunch of young horny drunk males ever been TURNED OFF at the sight of drunk naked females? They f'ing specialize in getting females in their circles drunk at any and every given opportunity! And if they were so amicable with the women "leaving early"...what prompted the spewing of racial slurs...which was heard by others?  And why didn't Flannery mention anything about THAT to the Dean?  And why didn't he tell the dean that he had tricked the women into coming to dance for over FORTY of them, by claiming there'd be only four men? LIAR!!!!
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By the end of the search, the police had seized evidence including four laptop computers, three digital cameras, a bathmat, a bath rug, five artificial fingernails, a bottle of K-Y jelly, and a stack of twenty-dollar bills.
Interesting. FIVE finger nails?...sound like someone was in a physical struggle to me. And WHOSE bottle of K-Y Jelly was that?...was it perhaps used to lube up a dildo?...and is it possible for a dildo to be rammed up into a stripper's orifice w/o leaving any of the rammers' DNA?
And the stack of $20...to whom did they belong?...where were they found?
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At the police station, the three young men offered to take a polygraph test. The police declined the offer,
WTF? Now, thats the kind of ish I'd like to hear the cops explanation for?  I know those tests are not admittable in court, BUT they are administered often enough...so why not then?
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On the day that the Durham police searched the Buchanan house, March 16th, the investigators Himan and Gottlieb drove to the accuser’s home and heard her version of events.
march 16th is what, THREE days after the incident.  The house should now be clear of any incriminating evidence, and ole stripper gurl, should be sober enough to give the most clear account of the event...no?
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Her account this time was more explicit: she had been attacked by three of the men at the party, who had held her in a bathroom and raped her orally, vaginally, and anally, she told the investigators. And she knew her attackers’ names—Adam, Matt, and Bret.
Hmmmm.
hat evening, two other investigators gave the woman a chance to identify the men she was accusing and showed her a photographic lineup, using pictures of the players taken from the team’s Web page.[/quote]
Stupid!  Tho the stripper did NOT pickout anyone then.
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On Tuesday, March 21st, police prepared a second photographic lineup for the accuser. She remarked that they all looked alike.
LOL. Guess that work both ways.
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He also noted that the woman did say that she had drunk a twenty-four-ounce beer before arriving at the party, and that she had performed for a couple in a hotel room using a vibrator
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Hmmm...How early in the night did she drink the beer and was it before of after her "performance" in the hotel room?..and is 2-3 beers enough to drunk someone to he point where they cant remember where they live?

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...media speculation on the team members’ “wall of silence.”
Yes...I would've like to see the INDIVIDUAL versions of the story from EACH of the men who were present...to see any differences in their versions.  If the stripper had a "dream team" representing her...thats the types of shyt that they would have wanted.
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an e-mail sent by a player named Ryan McFadyen in the hours just after the party.

To whom it may concern
tommrow night, after tonights show, ive decided to have some strippers over to edens 2c. all are welcome.. however there will be no nudity. i plan on killing the bitches as soon as the walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off while cumming in my duke issue spandex.. all in besides arch and tack please respond
Indigo...take a look at the psyche of one of the sweet little angels that you like to defend so passionately. How charming.

So, this article goes from day one to a few weeks after the incident.  I'm still left with the feeling that this case still can not make full sense to anyone w/o hearing from the victim herself.  The English language leaves far too much room open to interpretation and speculation, for so many hard and fast conclusions to have been formed with ALL of her statements having been deliveded to the public via second, third, and fourth hand repeating. 
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« Reply #335 on: January 07, 2007, 02:32:51 PM »

Hmmm...I dont recall any gun jumping from YOU...from day one, weren't you squarely in the "not so fast y'all' corner?
Naw... I jumped the gun with the best of 'em... My 1st contribution to this thread in response to a discussion about the irrationality of shaking one's booty for a group of white frat boys while unaccomplied by security or good sense...

"Yeah... those girls were silly... They marched their fresh behinds right into the lion's den... OH MY GAWD... FRAT BOYS? ? !!! WHITE FRAT BOYS at a privilege WHITE COLLEGE? ? ? ... The only thing NASTIER than regular WHITE FRAT BOYS are WHTE FRAT BOYS who play those violent "helmut sports".  AND these nasty white frat boys were on a winning team too? ? ? SHOOT... those black girls really DIDN'T GIVE THEMSELVES much of a fighting chance.

Still... while what the girls may have done was silly and stupid... what these animals are alleged to have done is down right cruel, dehumanizing and VERY CRIMINAL... If convicted they shouldn't see the light of day for a looong, looong, time... Doesn't matter who these girls were or even IF they went in there butt - T - Nekkid, spread eagle AND DRUNK... those nasty boys had NO RIGHT to their bodies...

Hope I made myself clear where I stand on this one...   HANG 'EM!"

I was clearly with the string 'em up, hang 'em and THEN ask questions later group... lol... I started to change my tune once some of the actual stories from the accuser's mouth came out, and the pictures from the party with that timeline REALLY  gave me reason to slow my roll and wait on some more evidence... The DNA evidence or lack of it kinda sealed it up for me.

Interesting points you bring up DP - I'll have to peruse it later though...

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« Reply #336 on: August 30, 2008, 08:39:32 AM »

 Shocked Oh no she didn't.... (view the video tape) Nice to see her pull it together enough to graduate though... but she does have some explaining to do and some apologies to give out all around...

Duke LAX accuser pens memoir Friday, August 22, 2008 | 8:56 AM  By Tamara GibbsDURHAM (WTVD) --

Since three former Duke Lacrosse players were declared innocent of rape and assault charges, the alleged victim in the highly publicized Duke Lacrosse case has remained out of public view until now.

In a press release, Crystal Mangum's manager has announced plans to release a tell-all memoir entitled "The Last Dance for Grace: The Crystal Mangum Story."
According to the book's co-author Vincent Clark, the book will be released in October.
"It is "the only definitive account of the life and struggles of the woman at the center of the Duke Lacrosse case, the alleged accuser," said Clark in a press release. " Were it not for the Duke Lacrosse Case, she likely would be described as a bright, young woman from Durham, North Carolina, who has had a difficult life."

 Mangum plans to donate $1 from each book sold to help battered women.
Former Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong was disbarred and jailed following the collapse of the Duke Lacrosse Case. Nifong is among several defendants named in at least three federal lawsuits stemming from the case.
Mangum is accused of falsely accusing David Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann of raping and beating her at a team party in March 2006. After a review by the State Attorney General's Office, all charges were dismissed.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6343080
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