Of men who pay for sex, most don't pay for the sex per se, they pay for the woman to LEAVE after the sex. No strings. No shopping for window treatments on weekends, or visits to the in-laws', or anything else. A service.
Starchild,I’m not really buying that explanation on why they pay for sex because as a man, you really don’t have to pay to have no strings, no shopping for window treatments, no in-laws or any of that… there are plenty of men out there who have no problem with doing a drive by phuck and go without paying much more than the price of a dinner… you can’t convince me that a man would choose to pay $500, $1,000, $3,000 dollars just to be able to phuck and go when he can just as easily do it by not bothering to return a phone call, giving her the wrong damned number, and basically making like a ghost after he’s gotten what he wants. Like you said, why pay when you don’t have to… if the GOOD puzzie is so easy to come by, just pay your little $25.99 for the cheap dinner, take her back to her place, phuck her and YOU leave (no need for her to GO anywhere.
Over and done with. It’s got to be more to it than that, cause you can’t tell me a guy has any qualms about doing a phuck and go on just a regular everyday non-working girl… they do it all the time.
As for all puzzie being the same… well I really wouldn’t know how it is for you men, but for a woman all dyck is not the same. There is definitely a big difference between GOOD dyck, Bad Dyck and really bad… shyt did you say that was dyck?
Hahahah.
I would think it would be the same for a man, but won’t even go there since I wouldn’t be able to knowledgeably argue with you on that one.
I guess if you say so Bambi. You and many other women would do yourselves a huge favor if many of you would stop drinking your own kool-aid. I don't mind you all making gratuitous comments in regards to what makes you all tick, but the bad habit too many of you have with QUALIFYING for men their levels or expectations in terms of fulfillment get real tired. But hey we all got opinions right?
Vance, you’ll notice that I did say as much when I said the following to Legacy…
I guess I really can't defend this position because I really wouldn't know what you guys consider "good puzzy"
But that doesn’t mean I can’t draw opinion based on the evidence presented to me. What I see is a whole lot of men out there keeping the million, possibly billion dollar prostitution industry alive and kicking with their very own money. If that doesn’t indicate that men place a high value on Puzzy, I don’t know what does.
I also see that practically every rap video out there has scores of women shaking their azzes in the screen to the lyrics that pay homage to a woman’s booty, breast or sex. These male rappers are not putting these videos out for the benefit of women, they’re not talking about these things for a woman’s sake, and it’s not just women who are keeping their behinds in business. You all are watching these videos and buying this music for a reason… and it’s not just for the beat either, perhaps it has a little bit to do with enjoying watching women show their goodies
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Then there’s the porn industry. Men also keep this industry alive and kicking, paying their hard earned money just to get a glimpse of a females goodies… if you don’t place high value on the puzzie then why are you all keeping these industries up and running so well? Why are you spending your hard earned money on the puzzie that means so very little to you? Then you have the guy who will spend a good amount of his paycheck taking women out on dates to secure the puzzie (as Starchild alluded to below) This is no news to me, I already said in another post what I think the dating process is really all about and it mirrors Starchild's comments, but the question then becomes, if puzzie isn’t worth much, and if GOOD puzzie isn’t something worth getting, then why pray tell would you even bother to go through the process… why not just save your damned money and go get free puzzie? I’m not qualifying for men their level of expectations, I’m just going by what I see you all putting your money towards. If puzzie wasn’t of value to you, and if you didn’t really care one way or the other about it, wouldn’t you all be putting your money to much better use?
I know I only put my money towards things that mean something to me, I don’t just go dropping da Benjamin’s on nonsense, if I’m paying my money you best believe what I’m paying for has value to me.
A comedian If my memory serves me once said if puzzy was a stock it would be trading at an all time low. His point was that women themselves don't value their "puzzy" themselves by the way they give it away. And I can attest as from the male perspective that getting puzzy is by far not on any list of most difficult things to get.
No one said it was difficult to get… what I said was you guys will go to astronomical lengths to obtain GOOD puzzie… and that once you find it, you’re not so eager to complain about who earns how much, cause as far as you’re concerned, you’ve already saved yourself a ton of money by not having to pay for it, and/or not having to do the weekend shopping, and follow up things that Starchild mentioned.
I'll also throw you another bone from a man who's lived a little.
Speaking of condensation, this is as condescending as it gets… the only thing I know that seeks out and gets excited over a bone is a dog… so save those bones for Rover please, this site is for men and women.
Don't nothing beat what you refer to as "good puzzie" like MORE. If you want the raw truth men crave abundance and variety more than anything else in terms of sexual stimulus and needs. This world is littered with the crushed and devastated state of minds of very attractive and probably sexually proficient women who can't believe or understand how or why her mate cheated.
I believe that. The proof surrounds us, especially in the black community where our neighborhoods are littered with fatherless children and way to many half sisters and brothers. But I would think that a man would easily and willingly trade MORE puzzie which does not necessarily guarantee goodness or disease free status for one GOOD puzzie that is always available, dependable, more than suiteable, disease free, and best of all, ALL his. Maybe there are some men out there who would pick quantity over quality, but if that was the case, the marriage industry wouldn’t be alive and kicking either… now would it? Why get married if you want variety and abundance. Marrying generally requires that you pick and stick with just one.
As a matter of fact if more women would keep quiet long enough and listen to the perspectives of men, they would learn a lot about what truly makes many of us tick. Instead many appear to want to "validate" themselves at our expense. Typically using the least successful and marginal of our lot to paint us all.
I tend to agree, women do need to listen more. And I also agree that it is unfair to paint all of you based on the many of you that phuck up. But I think it goes without saying that on the board when we talk about men and women, no one is referring to ALL MEN when we say “Men”, we are referring to the men/women that we’ve had experiences with or that we have observed during our day to day interactions. We are talking about the average joe. If it doesn’t pertain to you, don’t take ownership of the critique and don’t feel the need to defend those who do fit the profile. I don’t know you well enough to paint you in any color Vance, but I do know enough men who do fit the profile I mentioned, so I’m talking about them, not you. Forgive me for not putting the word some in front of my statements here about men, I’ll try to remember to do that in the future.
As to your financial assertions; your ability to obtain your own financial independence doesn't carry over in terms of "value" with men like ours does with you. That's the skinny of it all. It's also a big azz clue for the rather successful(financially) of your lot who continuously remain manless and wrap yourself in this faux sense of contentment so that lonely reality is easier to deal with.
My financial assertions were that Men don’t complain about women who earn less because basically they are getting the value in another way…and I used Good Puzzie as just one example that I’ve seen and hear men talk about all the time. It’s a known fact that a man who is getting satisfied in the bedroom is a much quieter, less complaining, less cheating, and less disagreeable man period. The men who you see walking around with unhappy faces are usually the ones who are not getting the puzzie the way they want it and feel as if they are also being taken advantage of financially and ignored within their relationship.
So, I said that men go to astronomical lengths to find Good Puzzie in order to avoid these problems and once they find it they don’t complain about who earns what because it’s irrelevant to them, as long as they are getting what they want in bed. When Legacy countered that by changing my words around to say that women go to astronomical lengths to obtain financial security I merely stated that this is not true, because a women does not have to find a man in order to obtain financial security, all she has to do is get an education and a job, however unless a man wants to phuck another man
, or settle for questionable (diseased, due for retirement, stank, woeful, loose, confused and pitiful) puzzy
he will usually have to put some effort into finding a woman that has what he is seeking. And from the looks of things, men will spend an inordinate amount of money trying to secure that women and her good puzzy. It is what it is…
Men don't grave nor need your financial prowess. Our needs are actually quite basic, but require you all to get it so that marrying or committing to monogamous relationships are WORTH IT TO US.
You don’t crave or need a woman’s financial prowess. But
you cannot speak for the general population of men out there. As you can see from the responses on the board by women posters by and large women here have come across more than a few men out there who do crave and actively seek out women who are financially well off and they do take advantage of them. So while Vance may not crave it, that doesn’t mean other men out there don’t. Again, when talking about men in general, what is said here doesn’t hold true across the board, it is based on each individual’s experience.
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Bullshyt.. Do you know how many fine women I have dated? BAWAHAHA!! Shyt, I had a long list of em before I graduated college & ain't have no dayum money.
Does fine=good puzzy though?
Not necessarily just like ugly (or less than gorgeous) doesn't equal bad pusci.
Legacy,Then my question is why did you bother to throw that in the conversation. Nobody said anything about fine women… we were discussing good puzzy and since good puzzi doesn’t equal fine women then what is your point?
Actually what you’ve said here goes against your whole argument though…
If you’ve dated so many fine women and didn’t have any money then how is it that you can say that women go to astronomical lengths to secure themselves financially. Obviously they weren’t practicing this when it came to you cause you didn’t have any money and they dated you anyway… so what astronomical lengths were they going to, if money was all that is on a women’s mind when she’s seeking a mate then wouldn’t these fine women have skipped right on past your broke behind?
But many DON'T get an education & would rather have a man take care of them.
Legacy, I'll have you know that Black women take the lead in seeking higher education in this country... we outnumber black men in college enrollment... so what's that you're saying about many of us not getting an education? What FACT is that based on? There was an article about that in the NY Times or the Journal... and it specifically stated that women out number men in their enrollment in higher education. I'll see if I can find the article.
No need. We know more women are going to school these days. However, women still have more non college grads than grads. I believe that's this is still the case for every group breakdown by race & gender. Also, a BW w/ a masters on average makes about the same as a BM w/ a bachelors. The discrepancies in education don't necessarily equal a discrepancy in income so that whole concept is exaggerated at best.
The discrepancy in education doesn’t equal the discrepancy in income true, but we’re not talking about income here when you flat out say “Many (women) don’t get an
education and would rather a man take care of them”. We are talking about
education. You said that women would rather have a man take care of them. If that was true then why would women even bother to seek higher education in ways that outnumber men? Obviously we would rather take care of our own selves and earn our own way then be dependent on a man.
The fact that we earn less doing that is irrelevant. Being financially secure does not require that you earn more than a man does, it just requires you to have a steady paying decent job. So telling me who earns more is irrelevant. And when you say that women still have more non college grads than grads are you also accounting for those teen pregnancies that result in a women having to interrupt her educational aspirations in order to physically care for that offspring in those figures?
Do men have to quit school to have babies or can they just continue on with their aspirations with little consequence? Who usually ends up staying behind to take care of the baby? Perhaps that is the reason for the difference in male grads vs. female grads. Did you ever think of that?
If you say that men who date women who earn less don't complain because they're being satisfied in other ways (sex/partners looks) then the same is true women who date men who aren't handsome & don't complain because they satisfied in other ways (money).
Agreed. I never said the same wasn’t true for women. But you said that men deserve credit and that they have more depth because they don’t complain about this like women do and that is what I disagreed with you on. Why should a man get credit for accepting a women who earns less when he’s being satisfied in other ways? Does a woman deserve credit for not complaining when she’s being satisfied in other ways?
This was the problem I had with that remark… it’s as if you are trying to praise men for something they really don’t deserve praise for anymore than a women would deserve praise for it.
I find that women who consistently keep male companionship have more answers in regards to how they handle their "woman" business, than speculations and pronouncements about what men want, need, should be, should do, are not, etc...etc
Vance, Without personalizing this too much, I will say that I have kept male companionship steadily since I began dating. One relationship lasted close to 14 years and only ended when I had had enough of it. All the others were 3 years minimum, and then one horrible experience ended lickity split once I caught on to the game. Currently the one I’m in has lasted 5 yrs and there’s no signs of an end in sight (knock on wood)
. I say this because I think you should know that when I make comments on here, I am generally speaking from experience and am in no way shape or form in the dark or "speculating" about what men want, need, should be , should do, etc. or guessing at what it takes to find or keep a man.
Unfortunately I do have experience with “treating” men and without fail the one’s who got treated took advantage and were in it for what they could get, not give… the one’s who were offered no treats did not take advantage because they could not (were not allowed to) take advantage. Now the one’s who were
offered treats and refused them tended to be the one’s who had my best interest at heart and were most genuine and in my opinion MANLY. So I agree with Susa’s statements based on experience not speculation. Women who treat
some men often live to regret it and the same is probably true for men, but since we are women commenting on a women's experience we should not be expected to definitively state that the same is true for men, because really we don't know.
I don't think any woman here has said that what Legacy is saying is untrue... we just can't confirm it because that hasn't been
our experience. I can tell you for a fact though that women who treat men do tend to be taken advantage of period.
