No that is you and the look of disbelief on your face when you are passed over by the woman you were panting after, but she instead went with the Nice Guy with an edge, someone like CB. The "Bower guy"
Why won't you be honest about what I said after we cleared everything thing up instead of posting what you want to forward your agenda?
What you said over there is applicable over here, and why aren't you asking CB the same question? He quoted you too? Either way you look at it. I posted several of your quotes and in them you are saying the same thing. You value 'looks over a woman who offers other sterling qualities. None of your posts came out and said anything differently.
We're already answered that.. Give me 8/8/8 over 10/8/6 where 6 in unacceptable beauty, personality or intelligence. If they're unacceptable in any area, I am choosing neither for them long term. If it's 9/8/7 versus 8/9/7 versus 7/8/9.. It's a tossup. Can't say who I'd pick but who ever you feel the most comfortable with, get along with the best, & has the most positive orientation towards you will probably win out. In real life, it's never *that* close however.
When asked, if you would take a woman who had inner beauty and was intelligent and offered other sterling qualities but she wasn't so hot in the looks department, you would not give a straight answer. You kept dancing around the question. You never would come out and just say plain and simply and emphatically YES I WOULD
You're the one who accused women of being superficial just because they desire a healthy mutually satisfying sexual relationship with their SO. And when I pointed out that you are superficial for dissing women who don't wow in the looks department, now you say I'm pushing my own agenda. I merely pointed out what you said in that thread that shows, that you are superficial.
Short term no. long term yes..Notice I said that if one category is unacceptable (beauty, personality or intelligence) that I wouldn't choose any of the long term.
See you aren't what I would consider to be a "nice guy" as it relates to women. What's all this short term/long term? To me a nice guy always conducts himself as if he is thinking in the long term. He's always a gentleman. You trying to say you're a nice guy while engaging in 'playa like behavior now, but that's ok because in the 'long term' you've got your eye on the prize down the line. Pluueeze.
BTW since you consider yourself a 'NG, why do you talk to women the way you do in this forum?
I don't think you really know what it means to be a NG as it relates to relationships with women. Having a job, education, money in the bank, nice car, savings, no jail record etc. or babies out of wedlock being honest in your professional life and how you deal with people, reliable and dependable. Those are character traits and accomplishments but that doesn't necessarily make men out to be 'nice guys' when it comes to how they relate to women'. There are plenty of people who have achieved those things and that doesn't necessarily make them a 'nice person. These are people who are handling their business and being 'responsible. Responsible is not a synonym for 'Nice'. A guy doesn't get any gold peanuts for doing what he is 'supposed to be doing.
There are plenty of playas/bad guys out there who have these same accomplishments too. Not all playas are the typical thugged out jail bird baby daddy as you're trying to style it. Plenty of them have the achievements I've just mentioned but that doesn't mean they are nice guys, or even men who has what it takes to have a successful emotionally mature relationship with a woman. External accomplishments doesn't always reflect where you are emotionally and your ability to handle a relationship.
Anyway, I believe I'll take CB's advice and let, the "bow-outs' muddle their way on through this and figure out for themselves. I know what works for me and what doesn't work based on my past experiences. I'm with someone who suits me just fine in ALL ways.
And I'm doing just fine now. However had I not gone through some things in my past, I probably would have 'settled' for something and not been happy. If I'm not happy then the guy I'm with is not going to be happy. We're both have to be mutually happy for the most part in the ways that matter to us. To each his/her own.