Kanye in no way represents all black men.
Lets get the "all police out of here". I never said Kanye represents all men, but people like Pdiddy, Kanye and others of his ilk who are powerful and in the media influence A LOT of people. There is no denying that. When you don't have anything to counter that, then you'll have a lot of men blindly following and worshipping these dudes because they don't have anybody else sending out another message.
Puffy doesn't use light skinned women 100% of the time I have seen ads sponsered by him where dark skinned women are featured
Pdiddy may not use models 100% of the time, but he uses them enough that light skinned models are noticed far more than darker skinned models. So let's say he uses them 80% or 70% or even 50%. Because Pdiddy has such a large following and is big in the media he influences a lot of choices people make. He doesn't have to use models 100% of the time to do that.
Even if puffy did use only light skinned women what are the dark skinned women of america going to do about it? [/b] Sitting back complaining and crying won't change anything.
Please understand that my raising these issues of awareness is not crying and complaining. It is raising these issues and bringing them to the forefront of people's awareness so they can be discussed. Notice your belittling and derogatory use of terms. Black women must be passive, because all they are doing is "crying and complaining" when they are discussing an issue that needs to be discussed. Notice how you attempted to allude that I must be 'shortchanging myself' and thinking less of myself because I as a dark skinned black woman am asking these questions. This alludes, that if a lighter skinned woman raised this question, she must not be suffering from any issues about herself. You even said, that "light skinned women don't talk about this as if to say, they don't have issues about skin complexions (WRONG, THEY DO). (See II you are a part of the problem because I see your contempt, it comes out in the words you say. (You being one who prides yourself on reading between the lines, should look at how you are coming across).
I don't validate myself by what PDiddy or Kanye West think, but I know they are popular in the media and a lot of young girls and guys watch and follow them.
The Puffys and Kanyes of the world won't change.
Maybe the Puffys and Kanyes' won't change but there is no harm in raising awareness of the mysogny they are spilling out across the media. People should speak out against it, some may hear, others may not, but to remain silent is to passively accept what is going on and that is not acceptable.
This is what Puffy and Russell Simmons have taught us is that if the man won't respect go out and get your respect.
Pdiddy can't teach me jack about respect. I can't respect a man who lays up and have multiple babies and refuses to marry the mother of his kids. Just because he has deep pockets doesn't make him a respectable nor honorable man. but I see you have a materialistic slant to your way of thinking in that if a man is rich, then he is respectable. Nope not at all.
This is something totally new to me. I have never heard of a man dating a woman simply because she is light skinned. You can be light skinned and be 400 pounds or a woman can be light skin with an extremely hard face lol. Other posters should weight in on this. I have never actually heard a man say ďI dated her because she was light skinnedĒ.
Oh so just because II hasn't heard of this means it is non existent? Oh pluueeze stop pretending to be so naive about that fact. If you've never heard of this, then you don't know your history very well because this is not new as you are trying to make it out to be. I'm not going to even bother to pull up historical facts that support this because I'm to tired and drained from schooling you. (Study the history of New Orleans). This is prevalent in the south (and still occurs). Maybe not as much as it once did, but it happens. It still occurs even today believe it or not. Men and women do date people because of how they look. There are guys who will only go after women who look a certain way, just as there are guys who only date within a certain socioeconomic class. (Women do this as well) so don't try to act like this is a new thing that I'm making up because it's just not.
You're trying to make it out to be that a man has to 'announce this is what he is doing before it is a proven fact that he is actually doing it. You know good and well, guys don't 'announce' that, they just do it so stop.
The American media/entertainment industry is controlled by jews
What does this have to do with the celebrity men portrayed with the light skinned or white women on their arms?
The people who are around them everyday have the most influence. At a young tender age we out to be instilling in them the values and the self confidence they will need to survive as adults
I agree with you here, that the kid's immediate environment 'can' play a very influential role in boosting that young person's self esteem. However just because someone 'ought not to be looking at BET, doesn't mean that they won't so we have to deal with what they are actually doing which is watching the music videos and being influenced by what is broadcast.
Try being a black man. Do you know what it feels like to have women clutch their purses at the sight of you? To be harassed by the police for no reason? To have everyone automatically assume you are there to kill maim and destroy.
Well I certainly don't have to be a black 'man' to encounter racist behavior. Just being a 'black woman alone is enough.
To have every race of women look down on you and
Let's not get overly dramatic now, you know this isn't true. If every race of women looked down on black men, then you wouldn't see so many black men with 'every race of women.
then to have your sistahs say we want white men because they have money, are more sensitive, know how to treat us, have better attitudes etc. We could back and forth all day about this.
Well this sistah doesn't say this. I don't put white men above black men and up on a pedastal like that.
what I have advocated Is for us to stop looking at that 400 year picture and start painting another. We canít control what white people have done or what they may do in the future but we can control ourselves. Things arenít where they should be but they are improving.
II, you are way off base and I don't know what in the heck you're talking about here. Nobody is saying we have to control white people, what the heck are you talking about? Huh?
But if that is the case, what was the whole civil rights movement about. Didn't black people stand up and put a stop to years of jim crow controlling type of white people ways and mentality? Yet you say we can't control white people?
I donít teach my daughter the biases and the old hatreds. I will let her know that hatred due to her skin color exist but its something she can easily overcome. Its sad that there are dark skinned women who will hate her because she is light. I will have to warn her about that to.
What is sad is that you are going to make your daughter feel that every dark skinned black woman is out to hate on her because she is light because that is how 'you' feel (not your daughter). You think just because a dark skinned black woman is bringing up concerns, that must mean they 'hate on their fair complexioned sistahs, (this sounds like a racist viewpoint to me). I've got to hate on someone because I am bringing up concerns that play out in the media.
I've often commented on the fact that I come from a family of 6 and we range in all shades from the lightest of light to chocolate we all love each other and we're close.
The change starts in our own home. We donít people to continue to point out the problem.
In order to discuss solutions one first has to address the problem. Even if it is a problem that II doesn't feel comfortable discussing.
Its like a smoker continuously saying cancer is a huge issue people should stop smoking but then he lights up another cancer stick. At what point will he take responsibility for his own actions and quite smoking!? He argues back that stores make the tobacco so easy to obtain (like media glorifies light skin supposedly) but that doesnít mean he has to partake of the the tobacco. There is no law saying we have to expose our kids media we donít approve of either.
This analagy doesn't make sense to me.
We don't have to 'expose' our kids to the media as it relates to the preference of light being preferred over dark because this is a pervasive attitude and it is saturated in the media, you turn on the TV and see a comercial and there it is. You walk into your drug store and see ads and oops there it is. Please don't try to make it seem as though with this issue, young dark skin girls have to go and 'seek this out'. If anything they are tripping over the images.
Like I said for every black celebrity with a white or light woman there is another with a dark skinned woman. Iím not willing to invest the time required to name them all lol.
That's because you can't. And you know this is true. For every black celebrity with a light skinned or white woman, you know good and well you can't match up the same # of celebrities with the dark skinned honies in the same way. And mind you, we are talking about celebrities not someone who is a relatively minor public figure.
Now if Michelle were light would you be any less proud? Just the fact they are black is significant enough for me.
But she isn't light she is brown. So this question is mute. But I'll answer it honestly (unlike you are being with the reality that is put in front of you that you are refusing to admit to and you are denying). I would say, 'Here we go again, another black man with a light skinned woman with euro features.
The same as what I said about Michelle's brother who is married to a white woman.
The only thing which bothers me about this topic is the finger pointing (Iím talking about bw against bm). We can argue who is at fault but it will never get us anywhere until we start becoming better parents and figures in our own communities
You're saying it is fingerpointing when I bring in articles that support what is going on? Why can't it be what it is which is factual information of what is going on with 'some' black men in their preferences? But yes parents do need to be better parents.
It get a slit twinge when I see a fine sistah with a white guy though but I donít dwell. Hell who knows what she experienced in the past
Isn't it interesting how black men don't like when black women date white men and when black women do date white men, it has to soley be for the reasons you've named. ( Yet those same black men prefer the female offspring of interacial matchups?
OK, II, you can have the 'last word' I've said all I have to say on this topic. Let's agree to disagree that we see things differently and leave it at that. I've gotta go!