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« on: June 10, 2009, 06:46:35 AM »


Yesterday during my daily commute I sat beside a wonderful woman. We had a nice conversation due to the fact traffic was piss poor. Appearance wise she was definitely my type. I had seen her before so I didn’t feel any sense of urgency in approaching her. I made sure to look at her left hand multiple times for rings. She had a ring on her right hand with no stones. It had a symbol which looked like a dolphin lol.

I just broke up with my X so the last couple of weeks I have been fishing in the sea so to speak. Last night I thought about this woman for a bit and decided I would approach her today. I approached her this morning and she says “I’m married sweety”. I wasn’t disappointed but I was pissed LOL! How was I supposed to know? 

Women don’t wear their wedding rings because they want to see who approaches them is my assumption. I’m sure women who don’t wear their rings will vehemently deny this.
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 07:37:47 AM »

Yesterday during my daily commute I sat beside a wonderful woman. We had a nice conversation due to the fact traffic was piss poor. Appearance wise she was definitely my type. I had seen her 
I just broke up with my X so the last couple of weeks I have been fishing in the sea so to speak.
What exactly is your type II?  Please do tell.  While you are telling can you also tell us why you broke up with your Ex?  Yes I'm being curious and nosy.  Wink Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 09:20:30 AM »

What she is like:

Sociable
Compassionate
Motherly
Intelligent
Trustworthy
Sophisticated
Creative
Optimistic
Athletic

What I like attractiveness wise hmmmm…I’ll describe the bus woman. She was tall not my height at 5’11 but close to it. She had short brown hair. She had a golden brown complexion. Just right breastessess not to big not to small lol. A VERY round VERY firm booty and some thick ham hock golden brown legs.

Not every woman I want has to follow that mode but that is usually what I gravitate toward. To my credit all my prior girlfriends don’t look the same I have some dark big slim Spanish, White, African etc honeys mixed in LOL.

My last girl lied and although I forgave her I was never able to trust her completely. No specifics but she truly was a broken person. I just didn’t have the patience to wait while she fixed herself.

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 10:51:30 AM »

II you're a trip with your description of your physical type. Cheesy Grin.  I guess with your previous relationship when trust is broken it's hard for a relationship to survive that trauma.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 02:13:41 PM »

Last night I thought about this woman for a bit and decided I would approach her today. I approached her this morning and she says “I’m married sweety”. I wasn’t disappointed but I was pissed LOL! How was I supposed to know? 
Women don’t wear their wedding rings because they want to see who approaches them is my assumption. I’m sure women who don’t wear their rings will vehemently deny this.

Yeah II, she purposefully left off her wedding ring because she just knew you would approach her so she can give you the equivalent  of the ol 'Sike!!" Grin Cheesy  I think not, get over yourself. Wink   There could be a number of reasons she wasn't wearing her ring.  And be honest with yourself, you were disappointed at least enough to write on the forum about it.   Smiley How did you approach her in order to find out if she was available?

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What I like attractiveness wise hmmmm…I’ll describe the bus woman. She was tall not my height at 5’11 but close to it. She had short brown hair. She had a golden brown complexion.

So physically, you tend to gravitate towards the golden brown complexioned woman.  So if two  equally attractive women with similiar features were standing together but one was light and the other was deepest dark chocolate, would she stand a chance with you? 

Do you think black men are socialized to prize the lighter skinned woman over the dark woman? (Not saying you per se, but just asking since this seems to be the way most black men in the public eye gravitates).

"Why Do Black Men Prefer White Or Lightskin Women?"
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 07:24:46 AM »

Do you think black men are socialized to prize the lighter skinned woman over the dark woman? (Not saying you per se, but just asking since this seems to be the way most black men in the public eye gravitates).

I think people have to accept responsibility and stop placing blame on others. If a woman isn't attracting men she needs to do a self evaluation. Are you overweight? Are you trying to date at inappropriate age ranges? Are you a staple at the local club? Do you curse a lot etc? Do you dress to provocatively?  If men aren't approaching a woman there is usually a reason which has a remedy.

I think men and women should stop focusing on things they can't control. We can't control the media or what influence it may or may not have on society but we can control our own actions. If man or woman wants to ignore all potential mates but a specific type that is their choice. I have seen both sides of the coin. Men who only like light women and dark women who only like white men. At the end of the day we are all human so I say date as you will. When race or complexion ceases to be an issue the world will truly be a better place.



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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 08:49:16 AM »

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Do you think black men are socialized to prize the lighter skinned woman over the dark woman?
In other words, II pleads the fif in directly answering the question.Wink

He attempts to bring in other factors that are not related to the question in an attempt to draw attention away from his not answering the question outright.  That's ok you don't have to answer it if you don't want to. I s'pect with this response you pretty much already answered. Wink

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If a woman isn't attracting men she needs to do a self evaluation. If men aren't approaching a woman there is usually a reason which has a remedy.
I also see how you allude (well it's not alluding you just outtright blatantly  say) that if a woman isn't attracting a man, and if a man isn't approaching a woman then it's 'her' fault'.  Say What Huh  What about the guy? 
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 08:57:41 AM »

Yup I already answered it you are right!

Here is the answer:

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Not every woman I want has to follow that mode but that is usually what I gravitate toward. To my credit all my prior girlfriends don’t look the same I have some dark big slim Spanish, White, African etc honeys mixed in LOL.

Yes and no how ironic huh?


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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 09:09:38 AM »

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Not every woman I want has to follow that mode but that is usually what I gravitate toward. To my credit all my prior girlfriends don’t look the same I have some dark big slim Spanish, White, African etc honeys mixed in LOL.
Yes and no how ironic huh?
II The part in bold is the crux of your answer.  What you're saying is that you prefer the golden brown skin (or lighter woman) but you won't say no to dating a darker skin woman.  Then you give yourself 'credit' for being open to dating outside of your preference.  Roll Eyes 

This is why I asked if black men  are socialized to prize light skinned women over darker women. 
There is no denying that the black celebrities in the public eye, the athletes, rappers, musicians,  and actors tend to have these lighter women with Euro features on their arms).
This is what you see mostly in the media. 

I'm not talking about obesity or bad behavior, so let's not bring up those factors because they aren't part of this scenario.  All things equal.  If you have a dark chocolate sistah, who is intelligent, attractive and all of that, up against a lighter skinned sistah, which do the brothas tend to choose?
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 09:32:03 AM »

All things equal.  If you have a dark chocolate sistah, who is intelligent, attractive and all of that, up against a lighter skinned sistah, which do the brothas tend to choose?

You are making that which is inconsistent consistent. It would depend on the man who has the choice. Believe it or not there are millions of black men world wide who love chocolate sistahs! Don't short change yourself i'm assuming you must be chocolate because I have never seen a light skin lady argue about this.

Are you light or dark skin?

Look at Denzel look at Usher. I think this all falls in the divide conquer plot of the white man from 400 years ago. I just think its time to move beyond that. As a woman you shouldn't care if joe blow only dates light skinned women! Pursue someone else simple as that.

Do you doubt that for every celeb man with a light sistah there isn't one with a dark?

We can't undo what occurred in the past but we can control how we carry things in the future for ourselves. The entire world still looks down on us so we really don't need to be separating light and dark as if this were the slaves days.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 10:14:33 AM »

Don't short change yourself
First off, let's not get it twisted, I'm not short changing myself by asking these questions.  I don't think less of myself so let's not make that assumption.
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you must be chocolate because I have never seen a light skin lady argue about this.
Are you light or dark skin?
Yes I am a hershey milk chocolate sister and proud of it.  But just because you haven't heard a light sister bring this up, doesn't mean that it isn't discussed amongst sistahs of all complexions.  You aren't a woman so you don't know what all women discuss and this is discussed amongst plenty of women and light skinned sistahs talk about this as well.  I have light skinned friends who get tired of guys dating 'their color,' rather than dating them as a person. 
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Do you doubt that for every celeb man with a light sistah there isn't one with a dark?

I'm sure there are millions of guys who date dark skinned women, but why aren't they on the media and visible?  That's the issue.  Put the dark complexioned woman out there as blatantly as one shows off the light skinned woman then we can say we're closer being equal in appreciating all shades of women of color.  But the fact is, this is not what is seen in the media and we all know that the media spins things the way they want for their own propaganda.  I know black is beautiful in all shades, but it is tired and old for only a 'certain shade' of black to continually be portrayed the media as the preferrable shade that black men prefer.  When you mainly see mostly light skinned black or white women on the arms of the celebrities, what message are you sending out to young black girls who don't look like that and what effect do you think it has on these young vulnerable girls self image? 

There is a bigger picture that you are refusing to see II.  Not only do darker skinned women and young girls have to deal with the media' touting the'white woman"as the standard of beauty for which others are measured by, they also have to contend with rejection by their own brothas who are more and more showing their preference for women who (while they may not be white), many of them are closer to the Euro standard of beauty than the African beauty.  This is a problem.  This is what they mainly 'see" portrayed on TV.
You are trying to make light of an issue, probably because you haven't delved into the seriousness of it or you don't really know anything about it in depth. 

So let me 'school you a bit on the fall out such behavior is having on young dark skinned black girls who grow up into dark skinned black women so you can know about it before you continue to 'brush it off' as just being a guy's preference.
"The Souls of Black Girls"

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Look at Denzel look at Usher.

That Denzel Washington and Samual Jackson example is old and tired.  (Now we have Usher).  Those are just 3 set against 100's maybe 1000's of other black men in the media spotlight who prefer the lighter woman so yes there is consistency at least among the black men in the public eye and those celebrities tend to influence a lot of brothas out of the public eye.  You yourself said you're like Jayz. 

I for one am glad that our President, has an attractive, intelligent, physically fit beautiful chocolate sistah on his arms whom he adores.  For once, 'black is the new light. Smiley  (I say that tongue in cheek)
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As a woman you shouldn't care if joe blow only dates light skinned women! Pursue someone else simple as that.
Of course it is no skin off my back who once chooses as long as they are happy, but there is nothing wrong is asking questions and raising concerns and awareness about behaviors that one observes in society.  When people don't ask questions, when people don't study behavior and find out the what the motivations are behind behaviors, then people stop learning. 
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The entire world still looks down on us so we really don't need to be separating light and dark as if this were the slaves days
There is nothing wrong with asking if black men are socialized to prefer light skinned women over dark. Especially when we see this play out with black men in the media.  In fact perhaps this behavior may possibly be the outcome that we are suffering from years later because of slavery.  Just because questions are asked that make you feel uncomfortable II doesn't mean those questions are not legitimate and shouldn't be asked and discussed.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 10:51:40 AM »

"Hip Hop and Rap Cultures Have Contributed to a Backward Slide for Black America"

Roy Innis, National Chairman of CORE, is alarmed and concerned about a quote by Kanye West in the December 2006 issue of Essence Magazine. In the issue, West is quoted as saying, "If it wasn't for race mixing there'd be no video girls. Me and most of our friends like mutts a lot. Yeah, in the hood they call 'em mutts".

Although Mr. Innis was struck by the reference to mixed-raced women as "mutts", he was even more alarmed that Kanye's statement might be an indication that Black America is slipping back into the self-contempt and self-hatred that he addressed in the l960's and l970's. This slide he attributes largely to rap and hip-hop cultures.

In a statement given on November 15, 2006. Mr. Innis states, " I was one of the pioneers of the concept of Black is Beautiful. That we must be proud of our African ancestry. Unfortunately, the demon of self-depreciation has been the most difficult demon for Black Americans of all complexions to expell. Darker skinned Blacks like Kanye West have had an even harder time accepting Blackness in themselves and in others. I wonder how much we have gained psychologically, since the bad old days of the 60's, in our appreciation of our Blackness".
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(This was a topic thread started by Mochagirl over in the Broiler section)
 
Diddy: Only light skinned girls allowed for Ciroc Ads

So last night a talent management company for Ciroc–Imperative Talent Management–sent out a casting call notice to their mailing list. Ciroc is taping a new commercial on Friday with Diddy and they listed their requirements. And if you fail the paper bag test, you need not apply:

From: info@imperativemgt.com
Subject: Promo girls needed!!!
To:
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:49 PM

Ciroc Promotion

Ciroc promo is this Friday, March 27, 2009
Time: 3:00pm - 7:00pm and 12:00am - 3:00am

Requirements:

Race: White, hispanic or light skinned african american
Height: At least 5′6 or taller
Size 7 or smaller.

This is a cash @ wrap job and the booking will be thru our partner. Please submit asap. Talent will only be contacted if the client is interested in booking you!!!

Compensation: $35.00 per hour

Imperative Talent Management
3500 Lenox Road, Suite 1500
Atlanta, GA 30326
info@imperativemgt.com
www.imperativemgt.com
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 11:31:25 AM »

I think people have to accept responsibility and stop placing blame on others. If a woman isn't attracting men she needs to do a self evaluation. Are you overweight? Are you trying to date at inappropriate age ranges? Are you a staple at the local club? Do you curse a lot etc? Do you dress to provocatively?  If men aren't approaching a woman there is usually a reason which has a remedy.
Wow II, What you've said here sounds like what this rapper said below. You guys on the same wavelength?  Wink

Yung Berg, Polow da Don Clarify Statements About Black Women
By Ismael AbduSalaam
Yung Berg and Polow da Don have found themselves embroiled in controversy due to recently made statements criticizing black women.

 In a radio podcast, Berg bluntly declared he was “kinda racist” and didn’t prefer “dark butts.”

 In less than 10 hours, a huge backlash began as fans took the rapper to task for remarks that were deemed insensitive, ignorant, and full of self-hatred.

 Others also took Berg to task for the irony of his disrespect to a significant section of his audience when much of his music is aimed towards women.

 Seeking to quell the growing discontent, Berg quickly released an exclusive video apology to AllHipHop.com (http://allhiphop.com/stories/multimedia__video/archive/2008/07/11/20281172.aspx) regarding his remarks.

 “I want to apologize to every woman across the world,” Yung Berg told AllHipHop.com. remorsefully. “I would never want to offend any women of any race because I love women so much. You can tell by the music that I make that women mean the world to me. My mother is a lovely dark skin lady…I’m totally sorry and hope I didn’t offend any of my fans that have love for YB.”

 For Polow, the problems began after he was dubbed “The King/Prince of White Girls,” and stated in an interview with AllHipHop.com that “black women need to get their s**t together, period, point black. And if you’re in denial of that, you are part of the problem.”

 Many interpreted these comments to mean the popular producer did not date black women, a rumor he recently cleared up.

“I never said I don’t date black women,” Polow explained to AllHipHop.com. “If you can ever find that anywhere I got $100, 000 for you.”

Yung Berg is prepping the release of his debut album Look What You Made Me on August 12, featuring the singles “Do That There” and “The Business.”

Polow da Don’s latest work can be heard on Nas’s new single “Hero.”

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Yung Berg vs. Dark Skinned Women
From Yung Berg To Polow Da Don
“I’m kinda racist…I don’t like dark butts…You know how some women prefer light skin men or dark skin men,” said the “Sexy Can I” rapper during an interview with radio show "Lip Service." “It’s rare that I do dark butts – that’s what I call dark skinned women…I [don’t date women] darker than me."

Things just got “better” from there as he went on to say, “I love the pool test. If you can jump in the pool exactly like you are and you don’t come out looking better than you looked before going in the pool – then that’s not a good look. Any woman that uses brown gel to set down her baby hair is not poppin.”

Another member of the “white girls only club” is Polow Da Don, a rising star in the producing game.

Dubbed “The King Of the White Girls” by some media outlets, Polow has also expressed his strong aversion of black women. His new name stemmed from an interview with AllHipHop.com where he stated, “black women need to get their s**t together, period, point black. And if you’re in denial of that, you are part of the problem.”
Wait a minute … if both of these artists are black doesn’t that mean that their mothers are black?
Read more: http://raphiphopmusic.suite101.com/article.cfm/from_mya_to_monica_hiphops_color_complex#ixzz0I8vf4c7Y&C
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I'm just posting relevant excerpts of the article, but you can see it in full at the link below.

MISOGYNY IN MUSIC: What Teens Think

In the final report of the Misogyny in Music series, Tolerance.org asks a diverse group of teens from high schools in Wichita, Kan., and Montgomery, Ala., what they think about the portrayal of women in today's music, and its impact on their lives. Here is what they told us:

Shawna Fitz, age 16: I'm an African American female — full black, I mean I'm pretty dark. I think a lot of music and videos paint this picture of the interracial or light-skinned girls as being the most beautiful. I think that bothers me more than some of the explicit stuff — it bothers me more than the misogyny

Do you think any of these messages impact the way girls your age see themselves, or the way others see them?

Liz Sifford, age 16: You can definitely see the impact, and I go to a very diverse school. But you can see the impact it has on a lot of girls. They tend to want to be more like what's in the videos, and they don't value themselves as much as they should.

Shandria Sellers: I'd say it impacts the way every female sees herself. Like they may think, "I don't look or act like that, so am I good enough?" I think it drops a lot of girls' self esteem by giving them this standard of beautiful that is almost impossible to reach.

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 12:05:56 PM »

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I have light skinned friends who get tired of guys dating 'their color,' rather than dating them as a person.

This is something totally new to me. I have never heard of a man dating a woman simply because she is light skinned. You can be light skinned and be 400 pounds or a woman can be light skin with an extremely hard face lol. Other posters should weight in on this. I have never actually heard a man say “I dated her because she was light skinned”. 

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I'm sure there are millions of guys who date dark skinned women, but why aren't they on the media and visible?
 

The American media/entertainment industry is controlled by jews (I have nothing against jews but they have historically owned a lot), homosexuals and bigots. I remember there being a big discussion about BET vs MTV but the people didn’t realize Viacom owns them both!

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When you mainly see mostly light skinned black or white women on the arms of the celebrities, what message are you sending out to young black girls who don't look like that and what effect do you think it has on these young vulnerable girls self image?

You just pointed out the crux of the problem right there. Our kids shouldn’t be looking to the BET Awards or the NBA for role models. We are their role models. The people who are around them everyday have the most influence. At a young tender age we out to be instilling in them the values and the self confidence they will need to survive as adults.

If anything the media has improved some. I remember when you didn’t see black women on tv for the most part other than shows like  Good Times   

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There is a bigger picture that you are refusing to see II.  Not only do darker skinned women and young girls have to deal with the media' touting the'white woman"as the standard of beauty for which others are measured by, they also have to contend with rejection by their own brothas who are more and more showing their preference for women who (while they may not be white), many of them are closer to the Euro standard of beauty than the African beauty.  This is a problem.  This is what they mainly 'see" portrayed on TV.
You are trying to make light of an issue, probably because you haven't delved into the seriousness of it or you don't really know anything about it in depth.

Try being a black man. Do you know what it feels like to have women clutch their purses at the sight of you? To be harassed by the police for no reason? To have everyone automatically assume you are there to kill maim and destroy. To have every race of women look down on you and then to have your sistahs say we want white men because they have money, are more sensitive, know how to treat us, have better attitudes etc. We could back and forth all day about this.

The picture you are describing is one I know very well but what I have advocated Is for us to stop looking at that 400 year picture and start painting another. We can’t control what white people have done or what they may do in the future but we can control ourselves. Things aren’t where they should be but they are improving. I don’t teach my daughter the biases and the old hatreds. I will let her know that hatred due to her skin color exist but its something she can easily overcome. Its sad that there are dark skinned women who will hate her because she is light. I will have to warn her about that to.

The change starts in our own home. We don’t people to continue to point out the problem. Its like a smoker continuously saying cancer is a huge issue people should stop smoking but then he lights up another cancer stick. At what point will he take responsibility for his own actions and quite smoking!? He argues back that stores make the tobacco so easy to obtain (like media glorifies light skin supposedly) but that doesn’t mean he has to partake of the the tobacco. There is no law saying we have to expose our kids media we don’t approve of either.

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That Denzel Washington and Samual Jackson example is old and tired.  (Now we have Usher).  Those are just 3 set against 100's maybe 1000's of other black men in the media spotlight who prefer the lighter woman so yes there is consistency at least among the black men in the public eye and those celebrities tend to influence a lot of brothas out of the public eye.  You yourself said you're like Jayz.

Like I said for every black celebrity with a white or light woman there is another with a dark skinned woman. I’m not willing to invest the time required to name them all lol. I said I’m like Jay-Z and James Bond mixed due to my style, attitude and charisma.   

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I for one am glad that our President, has an attractive, intelligent, physically fit beautiful chocolate sistah on his arms whom he adores.  For once, 'black is the new light.    (I say that tongue in cheek)

Now if Michelle were light would you be any less proud? Just the fact they are black is significant enough for me.

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When people don't ask questions, when people don't study behavior And shows of that nature. The fact that we have as many black people in the public eye is a plus regardless of whether they are dark or light and find out the what the motivations are behind behaviors, then people stop learning.

Over time the lessons change. The world evolves. Blacks should to. The election of a black president is proof of that. We cannot continue into the next 400 years with the same thinking we had from the prior. That isn’t learning its regression.   







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There is nothing wrong with asking if black men (especially those in the media) tend to prefer light skinned women over dark.  In fact perhaps this behavior may possibly be the outcome that we are suffering from years later because of slavery.  Just because questions are asked that make you feel uncomfortable II doesn't mean those questions are not legitimate and shouldn't be asked and discussed.

The question in and of itself didn’t make me uncomfortable in fact I anticipated this line of questioning would come up. This was the reason why I listed the qualities of my ideal woman before I listed her physical appearance. I know there are a lot of black women who are sensitive to the subject. The only thing which bothers me about this topic is the finger pointing (I’m talking about bw against bm). We can argue who is at fault but it will never get us anywhere until we start becoming better parents and figures in our own communities.

Unity defeats separation. Only love can end hatred. I think of Realgem as I write this there was an example of an upright brother in a place where there were tons of black women. For what 20 years he dated sistahs but in the end he ended up with a white woman. I mean would it have been better if he were single? I’m sure a lot of women would automatically assume he only chased white women.

The inverse is true as well. There are a lot of brothers who aren’t suitable mates so I really hold no malice toward sistahs that step out on us. It get a slit twinge when I see a fine sistah with a white guy though but I don’t dwell. Hell who knows what she experienced in the past.

I attempted to date a woman named Shona once. She was dark had a nice body but her personality was the most beautiful thing about her. She didn’t give me a chance because she had a black man stalk her in the past so in her mind all black men were stalkers. I mean she cut me off in tears because she was afraid I would be like that guy. She ended up marrying a white guy.

I know about pain, oppression, sexism all those things. I don’t maintain a negative outlook on the world although I have reason to.

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 12:14:59 PM »

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Roy Innis, National Chairman of CORE, is alarmed and concerned about a quote by Kanye West in the December 2006 issue of Essence Magazine. In the issue, West is quoted as saying, "If it wasn't for race mixing there'd be no video girls. Me and most of our friends like mutts a lot. Yeah, in the hood they call 'em mutts".

Kanye in no way represents all black men. Puffy doesn't use light skinned women 100% of the time I have seen ads sponsered by him where dark skinned women are featured. Even if puffy did use only light skinned women what are the dark skinned women of america going to do about it? Sitting back complaining and crying won't change anything. The Puffys and Kanyes of the world won't change. Its time for dark skinned women to step up and start their own entertainment and modeling companies. If the media won't pump your stuff build your own media. This is what Puffy and Russell Simmons have taught us is that if the man won't respect go out and get your respect.
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